O/T:- Vaccines: Pro/Anti & Conspiracy Theories [Originally Covid Pass and Meadow Ln.]

[SwalePie]

Swale,you are,of course,perfectly correct.The Twain quote I should have used is,

' Never argue with a fool - onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.'

Oh I like that one!

[maddogslater]

We accept there will be vaccine deaths as a cost benefit, but this vaccine has now apparently killed more people than all other vaccines combined. Vaccine injuries must be off the scale. Facebook were banning all discussion of injuries, Eric Clapton for example was vilified for coming out about what happened to him. People are being made to feel ashamed and then silenced if they have been affected.
In the 1970s a flu vaccine programme was halted for a tiny proportion of deaths compared to what we see now. And with this one, people are apparently being counted as unvaccinated if they die within two weeks of the first shot.

Why are they censoring the safety documents for 75 years?

Why are they mandating this vaccine, for a virus that the vast majority have practically zero chance of dying from, whilst vaccines for far more deadly diseases are not?

Why is this vaccine so special that the companies producing it are not liable for deaths and permanent damage?

Why are we giving this to people at no risk, including children, when it doesn't even prevent transmission?

This is the first vaccine in history in which its failure to work is being blamed on those who do not take it.

Nicely put 👏

[maddogslater]

We accept there will be vaccine deaths as a cost benefit, but this vaccine has now apparently killed more people than all other vaccines combined. Vaccine injuries must be off the scale. Facebook were banning all discussion of injuries, Eric Clapton for example was vilified for coming out about what happened to him. People are being made to feel ashamed and then silenced if they have been affected.
In the 1970s a flu vaccine programme was halted for a tiny proportion of deaths compared to what we see now. And with this one, people are apparently being counted as unvaccinated if they die within two weeks of the first shot.

Why are they censoring the safety documents for 75 years?

Why are they mandating this vaccine, for a virus that the vast majority have practically zero chance of dying from, whilst vaccines for far more deadly diseases are not?

Why is this vaccine so special that the companies producing it are not liable for deaths and permanent damage?

Why are we giving this to people at no risk, including children, when it doesn't even prevent transmission?

This is the first vaccine in history in which its failure to work is being blamed on those who do not take it.

Why are there so many idiots ?

He's making valid and interesting points unlike you.

[Elite_Pie]

Back to the real thread title, what does this mean for us? Now the legislation has been passed*, it seems that proof of vaccinations or a negative test will be required to attend some events. We are an outdoor seated venue with a capacity of just under 20,000, but we rarely attract more than 6,000. I've read about it applying to "more than 10,000 people", but what about clubs who average 9-11,000 fans? An attractive game will see them get more, an unattractive game will see them get less than 10,000 in attendance. Our game on Saturday throws up a few options. We will do well to get 2,000 given the competition, kick off time, live stream and potential away support. The ground holds 20,000, but only one stand will be open for home fans and one block of the away stand for the few visiting fans. So our capacity in real terms will be well below the 10,000 benchmark. So do we need the proof or not?

* the legislation as expected passed through comfortably, but only because Labour supported it. It would have been easy to play politics and vote against to force even more humiliation on Johnson, but instead Labour did the right thing and voted on principles. I don't know about anyone else, but I see that as a plus point for Starmer.

[SwalePie]

* the legislation as expected passed through comfortably, but only because Labour supported it. It would have been easy to play politics and vote against to force even more humiliation on Johnson, but instead Labour did the right thing and voted on principles. I don't know about anyone else, but I see that as a plus point for Starmer.

Definitely.

[upthemaggies]

[i961pie]

I thought you had given up and was going back to the football thread. You aren't convincing anyone.

[Rainbowpie]

I have been reading this thread and have found it really interesting.
I don't pretend to know alot about the virus or vaccines and have so far been double jabbed but i have a hesitancy to have the booster
I own my own business which has been terribly affected by COVID restrictions mainly and past lockdowns. I employ 6 staff who work in close proximity, one of those is not vaccinated at all through choice.
He is the only staff member not to have caught COVID as yet, maybe he has natural immunity, who knows?
From what we are being told at this stage about Omicron varian is that it is very mild, doesn't not cause high hospitalizations or deaths. In fact 1 death so far reported of which we do not know the status of the victim
With this in mind wouldn't it have made sense to let this particular variant spread, giving everyone who catches it a natural immune response? Rather than taking up doctors and hospitals resources and time thus having a knock on effect of cancellations for patience treatments. This inevitably causing more deaths than the actual Variant?
i know of more people who have died from not receiving treatment for there illness than people dying of COVID.
I am not against the vaccines and think they were very much the reason we were able to get back to some sort of normality but think decisions need to be made with common sense and the knock on effect of restrictions and maybe another lockdown would be catastrophic for some businesses and livelihoods this time around
My dad is an extremely vulnerable person having cancer and has been very close to death in hospital because of COVID. He's been double jabbed and now had the booster but his illness could now stop being treated so what's the point of the booster for him?
As i said i don't pretend to know the ins and outs of the vaccines and the virus. This is just an opinion from the outside

[AllNottsAreWe]

Apologies if this has already been posted.
My work colleague has just sent me this:

What happens at games now?
Covid pass checks will be conducted and it is against the law to allow in fans unable to comply.
A pre-match online Covid registration form must be completed
Face coverings will be required when travelling to and from matches and when moving around the stadium.

If true could be chaos at the Wrexham game.

[upthemaggies]

I thought you had given up and was going back to the football thread. You aren't convincing anyone.

I reserve the right to change my own mind, when I see fit, thanks.