O/T:- Vaccines: Pro/Anti & Conspiracy Theories [Originally Covid Pass and Meadow Ln.]

[drillerpie]

OK, so would it be fair to say then - as you see it - the Sceptic article would become more and more accurate with each passing day without the booster intervention? In other words, they're correct what they're saying in principle but you don't believe it's quite that bad yet?

No, not really. The point they are trying to make, based on a dataset that is explicitly classed as unsuitable for this very kind of comparison, is that double-vaccines now have a negative efficacy compared to no vaccine at all. This could become true if a large enough percentage of double vaccinated let their immunity wane and then refuse to get the booster, but again, as per the report you cited, the current data shows that double vaccinated people are significantly less likely to get infected and to transmit infection compared to the unvaccinated. For that reason I can't say it gets truer by the day.

Covid pass will go from requiring 2 to 3 jabs once everybody has had the chance to get the booster - is the UK plan.

Sounds extremely plausible.

That might include everybody who is currently not vaccinated but intending to be, but I very much doubt it, in which case they'd have to have a 3 jab rule for the most compliant and a 1 jab rule for those who have been less so, which I can't imagine will go down well however sound the science might be.

Speculation on my part, but I'd imagine a double vaccination would suffice to get a Covid pass for several months, until the immunity starts to wane and then you would probably have to have a booster to keep your pass.

Italy's pass is valid 9 months from your second jab, I can't remember if Qatar's is 9 or 12 from your second jab. These time periods would obviously be subject to revision, but I can't see why you would have to have more jabs to 'catch up' if you have only just started having vaccines. Certainly in the countries I'm familiar with you don't.

Then things could really become complicated if you introduce variant specific vax. Why would 1 jab against Delta and the original strain be enough for some but not others. Weren't the first two jabs different strengths? Adults needed two but now it's one for Delta, yet Omicron will need three?

I don't know who says which number of jabs is necessary and why, because i haven't been following it closely, sorry. As with other points, if you have any links so I can digest these comments in context, I'll be happy to comment on them.

Curious to know if you're happy to go on being jabbed indefinitely regardless of frequency and would you getting Covid make any difference?

I think there's a decent chance I had Covid in early March 2020, but I can't be sure. I don't think my antibodies would be recognised now, almost two years on. Anyway yes I am happy being jabbed, I wouldn't say regardless of the frequency, but so far I've had two vaccines in March this year and will be getting the third shortly, which is fine by me.

I'm over 40, I'm physically fit and in shape but I am a smoker, and weighing up the risks from Covid (assuming I haven't had it) and the limitations I would have to deal with if I wasn't vaccinated, it's a fairly easy decision for me. To be honest the **** I put in my lungs every day and the microplastics in every animal and every body of water I consume will probably see me shuttle off this mortal coil in the next forty years at most, so I'm happy to take my chances with the vaccine.

Would you expect the boosters window of effectiveness to remain consistent or decrease?

No idea but as a guess remain roughly the same.

[upthemaggies]

I'm over 40, I'm physically fit and in shape but I am a smoker, and weighing up the risks from Covid (assuming I haven't had it) and the limitations I would have to deal with if I wasn't vaccinated, it's a fairly easy decision for me. To be honest the **** I put in my lungs every day and the microplastics in every animal and every body of water I consume will probably see me shuttle off this mortal coil in the next forty years at most, so I'm happy to take my chances with the vaccine.
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It was said early stages of the pandemic that smokers were being less affected, but not seen that claimed for a while so likely turned out not to be true - although if smoking made things worse you'd expect a strong advertising campaign for people to quit (maybe that will start on Jan 1st). There were constant radio ads here pre-vaccine encouraging people to keep fit and lose weight, I don't hear any of that advise now, which is odd.

If people got their first jab early-mid summer then they'll already be averaging one every three months if they get their booster in the next few weeks. I guess we're gong to have to wait and see if we end up with four a year - and if so that would mean continuing to direct resources to vaxxing at the expense of treating other illnesses, with staff who refused vax now lost.

[upthemaggies]

Honk.



Tweet is genuine, not a fake.
https://twitter.com/joebiden/status/1319446692236791814

[CamPie]

I'm no longer listening to Whitty or the medical community. I'm going with this guy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uREpls3sTyU

Thanks for that, now I know what UTM looks like I can avoid him at the Lane. Never thought he was Irish though 😂

[BigFatPie]

Good debate

[CamPie]

Honk.



Tweet is genuine, not a fake.
https://twitter.com/joebiden/status/1319446692236791814

Of course they all died since Biden was in power? You do follow some s**t mate.

[upthemaggies]

Of course they all died since Biden was in power? You do follow some s**t mate.

400,000 since mid January, so it will soon be double the figure he was talking about there.

[CamPie]

It’s cos they’re all still drinking bleach instead of getting vaccinated. You are priceless mate. We all know the facts - worldwide COVID is killing hundreds of thousands. It’s not going away anytime soon, we will all deal with it our own way but in listening to / reading all the arguments and evidence out there some of us will always lean towards the more informed and more reliable information sources and others will lean towards only the ones that support their view, wherever they come from. You have made your mind up that the vaccine is not safe and not effective and are blinkered to any other opinion. Like the quote from someone that said if you had 100 electricians to check your wiring and 99 said it needed replacing or you had a serious fire risk and one said what you wanted to hear that all was fine, you’d go with the one.

[cher1]

Honk.



Tweet is genuine, not a fake.
https://twitter.com/joebiden/status/1319446692236791814

If only they had better vaccination rates eh?

[upthemaggies]

reading all the arguments and evidence out there some of us will always lean towards the more informed and more reliable information sources and others will lean towards only the ones that support their view, wherever they come from. You have made your mind up that the vaccine is not safe and not effective and are blinkered to any other opinion. .

No, that's not correct. It's an experiment, so I'll wait to see the outcome and concede I was wrong if it's an obvious success. As of now - early days - it's certainly not what it was originally being cracked up to be, unless the vaxxed currently in hospital and on ICU's are only there to keep the beds warm for the incoming unvaxxed.

The goalposts are continually being moved to suit the vax narrative, most would have taken this vaccine originally believing it would stop them getting Covid and return them to normal ("15 million jabs to freedom"), not still having to mask up, test, take more jabs. jab their kids and still be able to catch it, spread it, become ill and even end up in hospital.

Another more deadly virus - strong possibility - might lead me to take the risk with the vax before then.