Serious val question

[Albionic68]

Weird assessment in my book. I see Townsend and Furlong as Premier league players. They really held their own in the Premier league......

Sorry Boingy but I think you need to put your book down and watch more of the game. Townsend did better than I expected in the Prem' but his form's dropped off that previous scale in recent months.

Furlong had about two or three decent games in the Prem' top wack. Despite occasional last gap lunges he's not very good defensively and his positioning is generally awful.

Gets in the team by virtue of being a good athlete with the ability to run. A lot. And that's about it really given his throwing has lost it's effectiveness and his crossing is mostly dreadful. Don't get me started with his finishing earlier in the season.

Furlong is a Championship level squad player. He most definitely isn't and wasn't a Premier League standard defender by any metric in my book beyond having been lucky enough to have got there with us.

He played really well against Coventry, or at least better than I expected. Premier League defenders are consistently good. In the Premier League. He isn't even consistently good in the Championship.

[baggiematt]

Sorry Boingy but I think you need to put your book down and watch more of the game. Townsend did better than I expected in the Prem' but his form's dropped off that previous scale in recent months.

Furlong had about two or three decent games in the Prem' top wack. Despite occasional last gap lunges he's not very good defensively and his positioning is generally awful.

Gets in the team by virtue of being a good athlete with the ability to run. A lot. And that's about it really given his throwing has lost it's effectiveness and his crossing is mostly dreadful. Don't get me started with his finishing earlier in the season.

Furlong is a Championship level squad player. He most definitely isn't and wasn't a Premier League standard defender by any metric in my book beyond having been lucky enough to have got there with us.

He played really well against Coventry, or at least better than I expected. Premier League defenders are consistently good. In the Premier League. He isn't even consistently good in the Championship.

Spot on. The system needs several players to be part of both the defensive and attacking phase and they fail miserably offensively. Livermore often cops it due to his bad passing but Townsend and Furlong have been equally as bad going forwards. Given that they are so limited going forwards they are barely worthy of a top championship club like us.

To give you an indication of how bad our players are, no one has bothered to come in for them! We used to fight off clubs for our assets when relegated, now we couldn't give them away. We can't be distracted by the fact that we've been relegated automatically earns us the right to being one of the top sides in the league.

People keep saying change the system, but to what? I honestly think we need a reality check. We want champagne football with absolutely no champagne players or money to invest. We look as good on the ball as some of the lesser sides in the league, but we expect better football...