Match Thread vs. Bromley FC 29.01.22 [NL]

[Davy500]

Well the solution was very simple,

- to have given Ardley the whole of his second season, and see how he fared in the play offs the second time round, not just replacing him on the absurd assumption Burchnall was available

- more importantly to have gone for a manager with some experience and success at this level

May i suggest Richard Money, who has an impressive record, or somebody with a similar record

- Guiding Walsall to be Champions in League 2 in 2007
- Guiding Luton Town to 2nd place in the equilavalent to the National league in 2010, lost in play offs
- guiding Cambridge to promotion from the National league in 2013, via the play offs

Has 2 promotions, and been in the national league play offs twice

Managerial statistics

Competitive matches only. Correct as of match played 19 January 2019.[62][63][64][65]
Team Nat From To Record
P W D L Win %
S****horpe United England 6 January 1993 31 July 1994 70 23 24 23 32.86
AIK Sweden 1 January 2003 19 April 2004 37 16 13 8 43.24
Västerås SK Sweden 25 May 2004 31 October 2004 24 11 6 7 45.83
Newcastle Jets Australia 23 August 2005 2 May 2006 27 9 7 11 33.33
Walsall England 3 May 2006 22 April 2008 103 44 33 26 42.72
Luton Town England 30 October 2009 28 March 2011 84 46 21 17 54.76
Cambridge United England 4 October 2012 2 November 2015 170 67 45 58 39.41
Solihull Moors England 5 October 2017 31 October 2017 6 2 1 3 33.33
Hartlepool United England 11 December 2018 23 January 2019 8 2 2 4 25.00


Total 492 W 204 D 139 L 149 W % 41.46

[Jampie]

So, someone with similar overall stats to Ardley, whose record since 2012 has been lacklustre at best. A very poor choice, IMO.

[nw6pie]

This league is just a mess to get out of, there are 10 teams that can challenge for the playoffs and with the one auto shot then it's the hardest league to get out of. I think we're heading in the right direction under IB and will get promoted with him in time, this season is much harder than last in my opinion to get promoted in the teams IB is against by and large, much improved from what we faced last season and we're still in the mix if we win the games in hand. I wouldn't worry just yet but think we need to accept that winning the league is maybe not the way we're going to go up, playoffs might be the best bet.

Agree with this, 100%. Also worth adding that we are trying to achieve success the hardest way at this level: by playing great football. That's something to be celebrated. You can now invite a friend to a Notts game and not have to apologise afterwards for the poor quality. Sure, it's not going to work every time, but I applaud the intentions and general direction the club is going in.

If we define success solely as promotion, the odds are against us given the superior budgets and sheer desperation of three clubs to get out of this league. Our owners have set out their stall differently: have a competitive, but not the biggest, budget and trust the coaching/recruitment team to do the rest.

That's clearly a riskier strategy than throwing money at the problem, like Wrexham and Stockport, but that's fine by me. I'm confident it will get us out of this league in the next few years, and we'll have some great football to watch along the way - but mainly at Meadow Lane!

Finally, while I'm not comparing IB to him, it's worth noting that Pep won nothing in his first season at Man. City. However, the foundations were put in place for all the future successes.

[Davy500]

Money more successfull having had 2 promotions one as direct champions, higher finishing places in the national league, and already 2 play off experiences in the national league , this was an example of the kind of experience of a manager we should have been looking at , not somebody like Burchnall who had no previous experience of this league, or in L2

[LaxtonLad]

I said average, but so far you have got to ask yourself, how has Burchnall sorted out any of Notts long term problems, that are poor away, poor against bottom half teams, and playing agianst a high press

I don't think we are as susceptible to the high press as we have been but we just need to learn how to do it to them before they learn a different tactic quicker than IB can bring on a sub. To me, a sub comes on either because of an injury or he's crap or because you are being outmanouvered. Bringing one on to give him "game time" is risky, when and how long for is a guess and bringing one on in the last minute of a game is obliviously cheating.

[Davy500]

Agree with this, 100%. Also worth adding that we are trying to achieve success the hardest way at this level: by playing great football. That's something to be celebrated. You can now invite a friend to a Notts game and not have to apologise afterwards for the poor quality. Sure, it's not going to work every time, but I applaud the intentions and general direction the club is going in.

If we define success solely as promotion, the odds are against us given the superior budgets and sheer desperation of three clubs to get out of this league. Our owners have set out their stall differently: have a competitive, but not the biggest, budget and trust the coaching/recruitment team to do the rest.

That's clearly a riskier strategy than throwing money at the problem, like Wrexham and Stockport, but that's fine by me. I'm confident it will get us out of this league in the next few years, and we'll have some great football to watch along the way - but mainly at Meadow Lane!

Finally, while I'm not comparing IB to him, it's worth noting that Pep won nothing in his first season at Man. City. However, the foundations were put in place for all the future successes.

I think hiring an unproven manager over 3 years and hoping he gets it right is a far more risky staegy than hiring a manager with some experience and success , Pep already a great track record , in his first year of management hhe won the treble , and the champions league for Bacelona

[queenslandpie]

Well the solution was very simple,

- to have given Ardley the whole of his second season, and see how he fared in the play offs the second time round, not just replacing him on the absurd assumption Burchnall was available

- more importantly to have gone for a manager with some experience and success at this level

That's retrospective. Does not answer the question. Try again.

[Davy500]

Also as far as a good home record for Notts goes, that has usually been the case, Mick walker 17 home wins, just 4 away wins when we finished 7th in championship , Kevin Nolan just 2 losses s at home,when we finished 5th in L2 , Ricardo good home record,in L2 the only exception i can think off is keith curle in L1 who lost his job because of poor home record, yet he was great away

[Davy500]

That's retrospective. Does not answer the question. Try again.

I am talking about the solution at the time Burchnall was hired

As for now stick with Burchnall to the end of the season , give him another shot at the play offs

[laddo]

So, someone with similar overall stats to Ardley, whose record since 2012 has been lacklustre at best. A very poor choice, IMO.

You beat me to it.

I remember that impressive Walsall side , it was almost 15 years ago! Money's peak appears to be 2007 and going down the divisions from Luton to Cambridge to Solihull and then to Hartlepool says all you need to know. Davy looks like we needed to appoint him around the time we appointed Steve Thompson and Ian MacParland rather than Ian Burchnall. It's all about timing.

I must admit Davy has been on absolute fire through the wee hours, batting off valid questions left, right and centre. Impressive work.