O/T. The Government's handling of Covid

[Geoff Parkstone]

Not yet, but you can start if you want! I'm just reporting facts as I witnessed........ and as it happens I am having gammon for dinner: rare breed Berkshire no less

[Andy_Faber]

Not yet, but you can start if you want! I'm just reporting facts as I witnessed........ and as it happens I am having gammon for dinner: rare breed Berkshire no less

Not me, my similar observations have been reported by me before, the xenophobic racist gammon bigot bit was the reaction I got

Enjoy your tea

[Trickytreesreds]

has anyone pm'd you accusing you of being a xenophobic racist bigot gammon yet?

That's my title according to Herr Flick

[ramAnag]

I would suggest that said respect should not just be limited to hospitals and schools, but to all public facing situations eg including transport and retail

That’s what I said isn’t it?

[swaledale]

Not me, my similar observations have been reported by me before, the xenophobic racist gammon bigot bit was the reaction I got

Enjoy your tea

Ah yes, you mean being appraised of the fact that an anecdotal account is not in any way a basis for forming an opinion, but it is something that simple people, i.e. those who don't or who choose not to understand the basis of statistical analysis state, choose to do.

So let me use an anecdotal observation to "prove" the opposite.

Having tested negative I went to a gig last night, wore my FFP3 mask, the audience was I'd say 90% white and 70% over the age of 55. (obviously these are estimated percentages as per GP's example used).

Of those I would estimate that less than 5% wore masks when moving around the venue. I went to the toilet and nobody apart from me wore a mask. It was in fact interesting to feel like a minority, but I kept my mask on, even though I was probably one of those least at risk.

Another example, a friend of mine attends football matches regularly at a premier league club, he tells me that from day 1 of this season, he and his friend have been a minority amongst the 98% white crowd of all ages in wearing a mask or observing any social distancing.

GP and AF use their observations to reach a conclusion that the higher incidence and worse effect amongst the BAME population from Covid is down to their behaviour, yet GP observes that mask wearing was high amongst the Asian community, last time I looked BAME included Asian!

Current research suggests that poverty, poor housing overcrowding and a high propensity of working in jobs face to face with the public are all factors. There is also evidence of that there is some genetic factors at play, given that even highly educated, professional members of the BAME community suffer more.

So what do we learn from this?

One letting ones entrenched world view influence a casual observation and reaching a conclusion isn't perhaps an effective way of reaching a conclusion and it might be better not to express that opinion, because it may just give the impression that 1) You have an in built bias 2) You perhaps not quite as bright as you think you are 3) Your opinion whilst obviously held dear by you and its free country so fine, its basically bull****!

But in the main its just sad that people feel so threatened that they feel the need to criticise another person based on their race without anything other than anecdotal evidence.

[Ramshank72]

Ah yes, you mean being appraised of the fact that an anecdotal account is not in any way a basis for forming an opinion, but it is something that simple people, i.e. those who don't or who choose not to understand the basis of statistical analysis state, choose to do.

So let me use an anecdotal observation to "prove" the opposite.

Having tested negative I went to a gig last night, wore my FFP3 mask, the audience was I'd say 90% white and 70% over the age of 55. (obviously these are estimated percentages as per GP's example used).

Of those I would estimate that less than 5% wore masks when moving around the venue. I went to the toilet and nobody apart from me wore a mask. It was in fact interesting to feel like a minority, but I kept my mask on, even though I was probably one of those least at risk.

Another example, a friend of mine attends football matches regularly at a premier league club, he tells me that from day 1 of this season, he and his friend have been a minority amongst the 98% white crowd of all ages in wearing a mask or observing any social distancing.

GP and AF use their observations to reach a conclusion that the higher incidence and worse effect amongst the BAME population from Covid is down to their behaviour, yet GP observes that mask wearing was high amongst the Asian community, last time I looked BAME included Asian!

Current research suggests that poverty, poor housing overcrowding and a high propensity of working in jobs face to face with the public are all factors. There is also evidence of that there is some genetic factors at play, given that even highly educated, professional members of the BAME community suffer more.

So what do we learn from this?

One letting ones entrenched world view influence a casual observation and reaching a conclusion isn't perhaps an effective way of reaching a conclusion and it might be better not to express that opinion, because it may just give the impression that 1) You have an in built bias 2) You perhaps not quite as bright as you think you are 3) Your opinion whilst obviously held dear by you and its free country so fine, its basically bull****!

But in the main its just sad that people feel so threatened that they feel the need to criticise another person based on their race without anything other than anecdotal evidence.

How are you feeling now? Hope you're feeling better and avoid any "long covid" problems.

[ramAnag]

It’s really unwise, imo, to attempt to draw Covid based conclusions based on race and ethnicity.
This morning I made a rare excursion into a local supermarket. I don’t usually notice such things but, in the light of yesterday’s GP post, I’d estimate that the ethnic demographic was something close to 100% white and, more surprisingly imo, the level of mask wearing compliance (including me when actually in the shop) was only around 55% - 60%.
What does that tell us? There’s less mask wearing than there was, but beyond that...absolutely nothing.

P.S. Who did you see Swale? Curious difference between gigs and the theatre. Since gratefully returning to such events last October I’d suggest around 100% mask compliance in the theatre and probably less than 10% at gigs.

[swaledale]

How are you feeling now? Hope you're feeling better and avoid any "long covid" problems.

Thank you. I am well, still get tired if I over exert myself and a bit of cough but as far as I can tell nothing long standing, but we shall see, though I would think that having been boosted there shouldn't be an issue.

[swaledale]

It’s really unwise, imo, to attempt to draw Covid based conclusions based on race and ethnicity.
This morning I made a rare excursion into a local supermarket. I don’t usually notice such things but, in the light of yesterday’s GP post, I’d estimate that the ethnic demographic was something close to 100% white and, more surprisingly imo, the level of mask wearing compliance (including me when actually in the shop) was only around 55% - 60%.
What does that tell us? There’s less mask wearing than there was, but beyond that...absolutely nothing.

P.S. Who did you see Swale? Curious difference between gigs and the theatre. Since gratefully returning to such events last October I’d suggest around 100% mask compliance in the theatre and probably less than 10% at gigs.

It was Fleetwood back a tribute band, very good actually, excellent musicians.

[Geoff Parkstone]

It’s really unwise, imo, to attempt to draw Covid based conclusions based on race and ethnicity.
This morning I made a rare excursion into a local supermarket. I don’t usually notice such things but, in the light of yesterday’s GP post, I’d estimate that the ethnic demographic was something close to 100% white and, more surprisingly imo, the level of mask wearing compliance (including me when actually in the shop) was only around 55% - 60%.
What does that tell us? There’s less mask wearing than there was, but beyond that...absolutely nothing.

P.S. Who did you see Swale? Curious difference between gigs and the theatre. Since gratefully returning to such events last October I’d suggest around 100% mask compliance in the theatre and probably less than 10% at gigs.

What it tells me is that the white populations of Derby and south London have much the same attitude towards mask compliance - you say 55-60%, I say 65%. It says nothing about my other observation.

As for Swale's gig, I'm not surprised that a Fleetwood Mac tribute act attracted the non diverse and age of audience that it did. The mask attitude adds more grist to the mill of "analysis" but still does not invalidate my observation.

Let's keep observing, the greater the anecdotal data base, the greater the sample size becomes and the greater credibility of any conclusion.