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    Quote Originally Posted by wanderlust View Post
    The EU, US, UK and other countries have only just collectively agreed to cut some - not all, some - Russian banks from using SWIFT so accusing the EU for doing exactly the same as the UK and US etc is nonsense and factually incorrect.
    Not that it will be that effective as India is already looking to let Russians open rupee accounts so that Russians can continue to trade with and through them.

    Ursula von der Leyen, president of the European Commission, said the allies would also stop Russia from "using its war chest," by paralysing the assets of its central bank. They agreed to freeze its transactions and prevent the central bank from liquidating its assets.

    She added there would be a crackdown on so-called "golden passports" that "let wealthy Russians connected to the Russian government become citizens of our countries and gain access to our financial systems".

    And Germany have just agreed to allow the export of German-manufactured advanced weaponry to Ukraine.

    Perhaps we should be asking why our gutless, spineless government isn't freezing Russian assets? Perhaps it's because of the massive Russian donations to the Tory party and their influence over our government? Especially those Tory donors who have known links with the Kremlin?
    Not having that lusty.

    We shamed the EU into some sort of retaliatory action and the groundswell of German public opinion against the Russian invasion made the German Chancellor react, albeit slowly.

    The hypocrisy of Johnson and the Tories who have been laundering and benefitting from Russia's "dirty money" for the last decade is another matter altogether.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bedlington Terrier View Post


    The hypocrisy of Johnson and the Tories who have been laundering and benefitting from Russia's "dirty money" for the last decade is another matter altogether.
    I think we should ask Labour's Barry Gardiner about this, he seems to be something of an expert on laundering and benefitting from foreign 'dirty money'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sinkov View Post
    I think we should ask Labour's Barry Gardiner about this, he seems to be something of an expert on laundering and benefitting from foreign 'dirty money'.
    Thing is mon ami we are taking about Russia invading the Ukraine and the Tory Party receiving donations from Russian oligarchs.

    Abramovich has already run for cover.

    If you want to discuss Gardiner and Miss Lee, please feel free to open another thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bedlington Terrier View Post
    Thing is mon ami we are taking about Russia invading the Ukraine and the Tory Party receiving donations from Russian oligarchs.

    Abramovich has already run for cover.

    If you want to discuss Gardiner and Miss Lee, please feel free to open another thread.
    You were talking about the laundering of dirty money BT, you brought it up, not me, and as Labour's Gardiner is an acknowledged recipient of dirty money then I feel sure he belongs on this thread. So, many thanks for the offer of another thread, but I shall keep our Barry on here, where he belongs, if you don't mind.

    Thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sinkov View Post
    You were talking about the laundering of dirty money BT, you brought it up, not me, and as Labour's Gardiner is an acknowledged recipient of dirty money then I feel sure he belongs on this thread. So, many thanks for the offer of another thread, but I shall keep our Barry on here, where he belongs, if you don't mind.

    Thank you.
    China. M15. Secret Services. Miss Lee. Labour MP. WTF has this got to do with Putin invading the Ukraine?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bedlington Terrier View Post
    China. M15. Secret Services. Miss Lee. Labour MP. WTF has this got to do with Putin invading the Ukraine?
    No idea, you tell me, you were the one that brought up the subject of 'dirty money'.

    "We did not want Syria bombed - Cameron had fighter jets bombing Damascus within one hour of the Tory led vote."

    WTF has this got to do with Putin invading the Ukraine?

    "Perhaps it's because of the massive Russian donations to the Tory party"

    It's a good guess, but somehow I don't think it has anything to do with Putin invading Ukraine. In the unlikely event these 'massive' donations exist at all, were they as massive as the donation Labour's Gardiner received from the Chinese ?

    "In my opinion Arab countries are united in their disgraceful disinclination to provide succour to the Palestinians who are trapped on the Gaza Strip. As far as they are concerned, the Palestinians are "our dear and beloved brothers," just as long as they stay far away from the Arab countries and remain a headache solely for Israel."

    WTF has this got to do with Putin invading the Ukraine?

    "I don’t like Arabs Balan.…"

    WTF has this racist remark got to do with Putin invading the Ukraine?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sinkov View Post
    No idea, you tell me, you were the one that brought up the subject of 'dirty money'.

    "We did not want Syria bombed - Cameron had fighter jets bombing Damascus within one hour of the Tory led vote."

    Syria. Putin. Israel. Geopolitics.

    WTF has this got to do with Putin invading the Ukraine?

    "Perhaps it's because of the massive Russian donations to the Tory party"

    Context. Tory government. Money laundering. Impartiality.


    It's a good guess, but somehow I don't think it has anything to do with Putin invading Ukraine. In the unlikely event these 'massive' donations exist at all, were they as massive as the donation Labour's Gardiner received from the Chinese ?

    According to Gardiner he did not profit from Miss Lee's half a million quid which is about as disingenuous as you claiming the Tory Party have not been on take from Russian oligarchs.

    "In my opinion Arab countries are united in their disgraceful disinclination to provide succour to the Palestinians who are trapped on the Gaza Strip. As far as they are concerned, the Palestinians are "our dear and beloved brothers," just as long as they stay far away from the Arab countries and remain a headache solely for Israel."

    WTF has this got to do with Putin invading the Ukraine?

    Part of a continuing discourse with Balan.

    "I don’t like Arabs Balan.…"

    WTF has this racist remark got to do with Putin invading the Ukraine?
    Fact. I've dealt with Arabs in business. They are almost as disingenuous as the Tory Party. Qatar. Moscow. World Cup. Corruption. FIFA. Geopolitics. Syria. Israel. Lack of condemnation. It's not racist to say I don't like chocolate teapots. I don't like Arabs. I don't like Putin. Fair enough?

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    It must be hard to be taking back handers and then wanting to freeze their assets. Hypocrisy rules - OK?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sinkov View Post
    You were talking about the laundering of dirty money BT, you brought it up, not me, and as Labour's Gardiner is an acknowledged recipient of dirty money then I feel sure he belongs on this thread. So, many thanks for the offer of another thread, but I shall keep our Barry on here, where he belongs, if you don't mind.

    Thank you.
    One daft, rogue (possibly treacherous) Labour MP hardly fits into the Tory Parties "Grabbit & Run" paradigm though sinkov...

    https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/dar...-tory-funding/

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    Lucy Powell on SkyNews was asked, in the light of Putin's invasion of Ukraine, would she support increased defence spending. She said it wasn't for her to make that decision. She couldn't even understand the question, never mind answer it, or maybe she just wanted to dodge it. And this is one of the top bods in HM Opposition. She makes Truss seem like a stateswoman.

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