Leeds United - v - Aston Villa ***Matchday Thread***

[klix]

How was City (A), Liverpool (H) etc last season?

Joel, come on
It was behind closed doors none football.
In the history of football more away wins than home.
I can rip that apart by saying perhaps we are a bunch of bottlers who can't perform in front of crowds.

[hopelesslyoptimistic]

Bielsa first run of games was in the Championship, how can you compare that...
It's now we are interested in

The yank has been left a team all over the place

Once again you miss the point (and yes I get to a fair few games - not as many as I would like but have seen us a fair bit this season) - Bielsa was able to take a squad we as fans and previous manager had written off as not good enough.

From a standing start we played scintillating football with new tactics and won and the players looked energised etc.

Oh and not forgetting some top top coaches believe Bielsa is the most influential coach of the last 20 years -Klopp, Bielsa, Pep, Pochetino etc.

Compare with Jesse - underperforming but thin squad (we have better players in some positions than when Bielsa took over).

He changed little against Leicester so still largely a Bielsa team and style and to be fair we were better defensively and a bit unlucky.

Against Villa we saw the full Jesse tactics and it was c-rap. Nothing at all going forward I think our first shot was after they were 3-0 up.

He looked demoralised at the end and his words weee just hot air with no substance. We need to be confident and not afraid.

How about okay the best players in the right positions?

His squad at Leipzig was packed full of talent and he either couldn’t impose his tactics, the players thought it was billow (which some of the reports suggest) or at this level it was just bollox. To use a Cellinoism when you tap the Jesse watermelon it sounds a little hollow.

FFS even Rapha looked lost at times when he had the ball.

There is no way he is going to get this squad to play any better with these players than Bielsa would have done.

The timing of the change with no ability to bring in new players or a decent enough amount of time to effect change is stupid too.

They should have stuck with Bielsa at this stage of the season with that squad.

If we lose to Norwich on Sunday which is shockingly entirely possible then the crowd is likely to start venting in full force and effect their views to the board and the players.

I have not heard anything similar from the crowd during Bielsa’s time as last night and can’t recall people leaving early in such numbers.

Jesse seems a lovely bloke but a coach at this level - can imagine at some point someone telling him to shut the f up on the training ground.

The other concern is there was blame ascribed to players yesterday and the they word was used - it’s got to that after two games - can thing of two occasions where Bielsa spoke about players and only where they wanted to leave or for bad behaviour.

FFS even Moscow White was depressed and he is normally the most positive person in our fan base.

[klix]

Once again you miss the point (and yes I get to a fair few games - not as many as I would like but have seen us a fair bit this season) - Bielsa was able to take a squad we as fans and previous manager had written off as not good enough.

From a standing start we played scintillating football with new tactics and won and the players looked energised etc.

Oh and not forgetting some top top coaches believe Bielsa is the most influential coach of the last 20 years -Klopp, Bielsa, Pep, Pochetino etc.

Compare with Jesse - underperforming but thin squad (we have better players in some positions than when Bielsa took over).

He changed little against Leicester so still largely a Bielsa team and style and to be fair we were better defensively and a bit unlucky.

Against Villa we saw the full Jesse tactics and it was c-rap. Nothing at all going forward I think our first shot was after they were 3-0 up.

He looked demoralised at the end and his words weee just hot air with no substance. We need to be confident and not afraid.

How about okay the best players in the right positions?

His squad at Leipzig was packed full of talent and he either couldn’t impose his tactics, the players thought it was billow (which some of the reports suggest) or at this level it was just bollox. To use a Cellinoism when you tap the Jesse watermelon it sounds a little hollow.

FFS even Rapha looked lost at times when he had the ball.

There is no way he is going to get this squad to play any better with these players than Bielsa would have done.

The timing of the change with no ability to bring in new players or a decent enough amount of time to effect change is stupid too.

They should have stuck with Bielsa at this stage of the season with that squad.

If we lose to Norwich on Sunday which is shockingly entirely possible then the crowd is likely to start venting in full force and effect their views to the board and the players.

I have not heard anything similar from the crowd during Bielsa’s time as last night and can’t recall people leaving early in such numbers.

Jesse seems a lovely bloke but a coach at this level - can imagine at some point someone telling him to shut the f up on the training ground.

The other concern is there was blame ascribed to players yesterday and the they word was used - it’s got to that after two games - can thing of two occasions where Bielsa spoke about players and only where they wanted to leave or for bad behaviour.

FFS even Moscow White was depressed and he is normally the most positive person in our fan base.

I can't and won't comment on last night not seen anything and don't want to.

Totally agree Norwich
My point is, just give the bloke a chance, he has the games to get us out
3 points is well a must, if we lose that it's less than 50/50 staying up.

[hopelesslyoptimistic]

Fair enough if you didn’t see last night’s game but if you watch the extended highlights I recommend you pour yourself a stiff drink before you sit down to watch.

Last night was Paul Heckingbottom bad - no direction, no fight, no hope - you don’t need to be a genius to gather from that performance that there is bigger trouble at mill then under Bielsa.

The players don’t get the tactics or what they are supposed to do. Villa quickly knew how to play us (no doubt Gerrard relying on his USA experience of playing Red Bull teams.

We were one dimensional in every facet of the game.

At least under Bielsa if we played well it might be 6-4 either way.
If that is the standard of fare on offer then they may have to shove the proposed ST price hike where the Sun don’t shine.

I say that wanting Jesse to be good but there is an eerie Heckingbottomesue deja vu to it.

I can imagine with his CV Rapha, Rodrigo, Llorente, Klich and Phillips thinking who the deck is this joker.

There was a camera shot of Phillips and Cooper at the end of the game and Phillips looked stunned and sad - his eyes seemed a little watery.

Looks like he will be Liverpool bound for £70m.

The surgery that should have been done last summer from a relative position of strength last summer will be an awful lot harder this summer if we go down.

Of the older players, not sure how much we will now get for Klich, Dallas, Cooper, Ayling all of whom are struggling this season in the prem (but might be okay in the EFL)

Also don’t think we will get full recovery for Llorente, Rodrigo or Firpo or possibly many offers at all.

The loanees will be back in the mix - Davis, Drameh, Bogusz, Casilla and Costa.

There is a lot to sort out if we go down and Jesse I don’t think has any of that experience.

He won a double at Salzburg but they do that regularly over that last 10 years. He was crap in Germany.

After the Lord Mayor’s show we wanted to be inspired and impressed but do you honestly see Marsch taking us to the champions league - the only way that is likely to happen is if he plays Leeds on FIFA 22.

[Billyni]

Joyous performance, wow West ham over a season, clearly you don't go to many


Give the yank a chance, why judge him over 2 games,

Although we got beat v Leicester I thought it was a more positive performance and thought we at least had a chance of a point at home last night. Instead we got significantly worse.
Lose against Norwich and I can't see him lasting. He even sounded out of his depth.
But i want to be wrong and give him a chance.
And i wanted to see change but for the better.

[klix]

Yes it looked a lot better v leicester, but what posters are saying sounds not good.
Just hope for 3 points Sunday

[hopelesslyoptimistic]

Although we got beat v Leicester I thought it was a more positive performance and thought we at least had a chance of a point at home last night. Instead we got significantly worse.
Lose against Norwich and I can't see him lasting. He even sounded out of his depth.
But i want to be wrong and give him a chance.
And i wanted to see change but for the better.

Yup agreed on all fronts bar I wanted to stick with MB

[ozleeds]

Not the American's fault why is everyone jumping on him after 2 games? Visit up top the ones running the club. He was groomed by Orta and in his own words for the last 2 years. Eventually, he gets here with a demoralized team that apart from a couple of players are just there for a paycheck as they are not interested or care about Leeds United.
They have really set up a Ted Lasso fiasco and eventually, the truth will come out if people already don't know.
There are 2 types of owners Millionaire businessmen as all businesses are there for a profit however they can make it on the cheap. Other crookes who have so much have to hide it and they include despicable people.
We are just pawns in all this.

[WTF11]

Not the American's fault why is everyone jumping on him after 2 games? Visit up top the ones running the club. He was groomed by Orta and in his own words for the last 2 years. Eventually, he gets here with a demoralized team that apart from a couple of players are just there for a paycheck as they are not interested or care about Leeds United.
They have really set up a Ted Lasso fiasco and eventually, the truth will come out if people already don't know.
There are 2 types of owners Millionaire businessmen as all businesses are there for a profit however they can make it on the cheap. Other crookes who have so much have to hide it and they include despicable people.
We are just pawns in all this.

I think you will find that the supporters would be jumping on anyone who came after Bielsa, if the results didn't immediately improve, no matter how lunatic that expectation might be, because they see what's coming and most are of an age to remember the last time (just), and the prospect of relegation terrifies them.

We may not be going into administration, but we have just spent nearly £100m on players who are next to worthless, (and the PL revenues won't have covered all that expenditure, so it's either debt to the banks, or a debt for shares swap with the 49-ers, either way it's debt), we have a raft of other worthless players who are out on loan, key players who won't stay (Phillips, Meslier, Bamford, Raphina (maybe!)) and other we won't be able to get rid of.

The supporters see that, they know it, and the real killer is that the ar5eholes who architected this cluster-f00k will still be with us, because no-one in their right mind would want to relieve them either of their controlling shares in the club, or to offer alternative employment elsewhere (would you offer Orta anything more than a bog-cleaners job?). Anger is entirely understandable.

[ozleeds]

The price is already agreed on for 2024 but I think you'll find they will come in earlier next season. I don't care if we end up in the championship that's what we deserve but if that Cint Orta is still there I will go more nuts than I am now lol
I'm looking forward to next season as Roberts and Firpo would have freshened up, Totty Andy and whoever goes to the games will be able to eat American hot dogs with mustard, and will be wearing the new kit which includes the Leeds Uncle Sam hat.
Orgoner and Spaldy will be cheerleaders