Sturgeonland

[InversneckieDob]

Yes because needs seem to have grown somewhat.

Aye, that's Capitalism for you.
When the markets decide, needs grow.

[donsdaft]

No they don't.

Never mind, if that's the sort of Scotland you have in mind, a land of the needy then on you go.
Someone has to pay for it though.



Personally, I would have thought it was very Scottish, very working class, to be able to pay your own way.

It was Thatcher that changed that attitude, better leave that in the past.

[InversneckieDob]

No they don't.

Never mind, if that's the sort of Scotland you have in mind, a land of the needy then on you go.
Someone has to pay for it though.

I'd certainly like to see a Scotland where the mantra "let the markets decide" isnae the prevailing, default mantra.

But it's a recognised, economic fact that unfettered capitalism requires an underclass to function ("scroungers" I think is how you often define them?).
A hungry, readily available workforce/infantry.

You keep that underclass disenfranchised long enough it becomes generational and ingrained, yer basic sociology right there.

I find that morally unacceptable but I suppose it would be a more dull world if our moral compasses all pointed in the same direction.

[donsdaft]

A very English view of the world, which is one of the main reasons we want away from the bästards.

I call scroungers scroungers, I don't mix them up with people trying their best who need a little help.

Too many scroungers though, too many junkies, too many wasters.

An independent Scotland should be sorting that out by giving them hope, giving them opportunity, not just hand outs to keep them at the bottom.

[Shetland Don]

A very English view of the world, which is one of the main reasons we want away from the bästards.

I call scroungers scroungers, I don't mix them up with people trying their best who need a little help.

Too many scroungers though, too many junkies, too many wasters.

An independent Scotland should be sorting that out by giving them hope, giving them opportunity, not just hand outs to keep them at the bottom.

Walk down Union Street and see who the scrounges are - no Indians, no Chinese (they graft in their businesses) but those of Roma extraction are rife. Lazy to the core? You decide. A fair Scotland indeed is one to which we should all rightfully aspire.

[donsdaft]

Walk down Union Street and see who the scrounges are - no Indians, no Chinese (they graft in their businesses) but those of Roma extraction are rife. Lazy to the core? You decide. A fair Scotland indeed is one to which we should all rightfully aspire.

The Roma are a pain all over Europe but I would suggest a walk down Union Street would leave you with the impression that it was Aberdonians who were the problem.

[InversneckieDob]

A very English view of the world......

An independent Scotland should be sorting that out by giving them hope, giving them opportunity, not just hand outs to keep them at the bottom.

No, I'd say the clichés you're throwing out represents a far more default English ethos.......judging by plebiscite outcomes at least.

And I wholeheartedly agree with your last paragraph, but I'm also aware there's nae chance of that coming to pass in the deregulated, Capitalist cesspool for which the English electorate routinely vote.

[donsdaft]

Which is why we want an independent Scotland.

[stewarty27]

The rumour is somethings coming tomorrow.. That won't be good for someone in the SNP. As I say its a rumour so we'll see.

[Red Zone]

The rumour is somethings coming tomorrow.. That won't be good for someone in the SNP. As I say its a rumour so we'll see.

Are you still expecting something or have you juts teased us all for nothing