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[MikeSB]

Not lethargy at all. Just bored with the same stuff being trotted out by yourself ( the previous Lowery denier) and Lazarus who harps on incessantly about coaching, the academy, Jimmy Greaves etc. I’m sure he just copies and pastes old posts. There really is no wonder it’s just you two, with some sense from Gazan, Timmy and a few others with occasional posts. The rest of us, are, as RWS says, bored of it.

Haha!

You should think yourself lucky that a couple of us post here and some are bored with reading it? Its a dead board and yes I go away and return just to annoy some of you that seem quite content with dross results, the worst set in 70 years and some fans happy with that? We are actually keeping this board going as footymad would surely close it down as non productive...ie just like our team...The truth hurts and that is there was no coaching as such in the old days, players at all levels were chosen from merit and yup we won the world cup by doing that way and never won it since doing it your way...How many coaches are employed in the whole of football world wide? OK lets say in England then? I would say thousands upon thousands and not one plays orplayed at a decent level. How much is this costing clubs like ours that only had one manager and a someone with a sponge and now we have kit managers, and data managers when players like Frank Blunstone who older fans will know was an ex Alex player who got the bus to the ground on match days and worked at a Newsagent during the week and he played for England too....You know nowadays it makes me sick to hear about stuff and fans seem happy to put up with non triers that even DA said we have now playing for us....Jimmy Greaves was one of the best players ever played this game and it was him who said coaching destroyed natural ability by coaches who have never played the game...and we have just appointed another one as Asst Manager but no worries as he has all the coaching badges and so that's OK...we go where the coaches take us...To non league, that's where!

No fan worth his salt should not be complaining about what is happening here this season and by not doing so are in many ways are complicit in the clubs downfall...ie we go where the fans take us to coin a phrase...

Ah you should have seen Frank Lord score all those hat tricks here and not one coaching lesson ever...Pure skill....Finally no academy graduates could have played on the pitches back in that day....they are not strong enough to last 30 mins...Go and see JG score all those goals on such pitches....

Is wartman rdally my friend Luckour? I really hope so but doubt that....

[Wartman]

Haha!

You should think yourself lucky that a couple of us post here and some are bored with reading it? Its a dead board and yes I go away and return just to annoy some of you that seem quite content with dross results, the worst set in 70 years and some fans happy with that? We are actually keeping this board going as footymad would surely close it down as non productive...ie just like our team...The truth hurts and that is there was no coaching as such in the old days, players at all levels were chosen from merit and yup we won the world cup by doing that way and never won it since doing it your way...How many coaches are employed in the whole of football world wide? OK lets say in England then? I would say thousands upon thousands and not one plays orplayed at a decent level. How much is this costing clubs like ours that only had one manager and a someone with a sponge and now we have kit managers, and data managers when players like Frank Blunstone who older fans will know was an ex Alex player who got the bus to the ground on match days and worked at a Newsagent during the week and he played for England too....You know nowadays it makes me sick to hear about stuff and fans seem happy to put up with non triers that even DA said we have now playing for us....Jimmy Greaves was one of the best players ever played this game and it was him who said coaching destroyed natural ability by coaches who have never played the game...and we have just appointed another one as Asst Manager but no worries as he has all the coaching badges and so that's OK...we go where the coaches take us...To non league, that's where!

No fan worth his salt should not be complaining about what is happening here this season and by not doing so are in many ways are complicit in the clubs downfall...ie we go where the fans take us to coin a phrase...

Ah you should have seen Frank Lord score all those hat tricks here and not one coaching lesson ever...Pure skill....Finally no academy graduates could have played on the pitches back in that day....they are not strong enough to last 30 mins...Go and see JG score all those goals on such pitches....

Is wartman rdally my friend Luckour? I really hope so but doubt that....

I find it is the DNA of most Crewe people happy with their lot and don’t strive to be better. To be fair Mike I find you give a different take to things on this board that just happens to be different to the Dave Artell clap happy band and the oh dear he comes league 2 but never mind brigade. I think you make some valid points about the academy of which I agree with some but not all but that is what this board is about opinions, there are quite a few on here that like your opinion as long as it is the same as theirs (Gazan not being one of them however his failing is he asks people not to be shouty and put reasoned arguments forward to discuss and then never does just says I will think about your points and come back to you )

Mike going back to your point on the academy we do need one but not a CAT 2 CAT 4 would still produce players for the first team and would be more within our financial budget.

[lukcour]

Haha!

You should think yourself lucky that a couple of us post here and some are bored with reading it? Its a dead board and yes I go away and return just to annoy some of you that seem quite content with dross results, the worst set in 70 years and some fans happy with that? We are actually keeping this board going as footymad would surely close it down as non productive...ie just like our team...The truth hurts and that is there was no coaching as such in the old days, players at all levels were chosen from merit and yup we won the world cup by doing that way and never won it since doing it your way...How many coaches are employed in the whole of football world wide? OK lets say in England then? I would say thousands upon thousands and not one plays orplayed at a decent level. How much is this costing clubs like ours that only had one manager and a someone with a sponge and now we have kit managers, and data managers when players like Frank Blunstone who older fans will know was an ex Alex player who got the bus to the ground on match days and worked at a Newsagent during the week and he played for England too....You know nowadays it makes me sick to hear about stuff and fans seem happy to put up with non triers that even DA said we have now playing for us....Jimmy Greaves was one of the best players ever played this game and it was him who said coaching destroyed natural ability by coaches who have never played the game...and we have just appointed another one as Asst Manager but no worries as he has all the coaching badges and so that's OK...we go where the coaches take us...To non league, that's where!

No fan worth his salt should not be complaining about what is happening here this season and by not doing so are in many ways are complicit in the clubs downfall...ie we go where the fans take us to coin a phrase...

Ah you should have seen Frank Lord score all those hat tricks here and not one coaching lesson ever...Pure skill....Finally no academy graduates could have played on the pitches back in that day....they are not strong enough to last 30 mins...Go and see JG score all those goals on such pitches....

Is wartman rdally my friend Luckour? I really hope so but doubt that....

Mike I can 100% confirm I am not Wartam. I stopped posting mainly because I realised I was being used by a certain poster to further his dream and his right for Sainthood. Mike you and Wartman doing the exact same. Hope your health has improved and you are no longer experiencing the dizzy spells. Still got that ticket for you. If you are up to it email me. Typical silly me I lost your email

[Timmy58]

It is not like those of us constantly moaning are actually happy with this season and the inevitable outcome. It is just that some of us see different solutions. None of those solutions involve downgrading or dispensing wit the Academy or sacking the current manager or, indeed, dispensing with the current board. Club clearly in transition and we as supporters have to have some degree of faith that the board know what they are doing and have the best interests of the club at heart. And when all said and done, the club is the most important thing.

[Timmy58]

Haha!

You should think yourself lucky that a couple of us post here and some are bored with reading it? Its a dead board and yes I go away and return just to annoy some of you that seem quite content with dross results, the worst set in 70 years and some fans happy with that? We are actually keeping this board going as footymad would surely close it down as non productive...ie just like our team...The truth hurts and that is there was no coaching as such in the old days, players at all levels were chosen from merit and yup we won the world cup by doing that way and never won it since doing it your way...How many coaches are employed in the whole of football world wide? OK lets say in England then? I would say thousands upon thousands and not one plays orplayed at a decent level. How much is this costing clubs like ours that only had one manager and a someone with a sponge and now we have kit managers, and data managers when players like Frank Blunstone who older fans will know was an ex Alex player who got the bus to the ground on match days and worked at a Newsagent during the week and he played for England too....You know nowadays it makes me sick to hear about stuff and fans seem happy to put up with non triers that even DA said we have now playing for us....Jimmy Greaves was one of the best players ever played this game and it was him who said coaching destroyed natural ability by coaches who have never played the game...and we have just appointed another one as Asst Manager but no worries as he has all the coaching badges and so that's OK...we go where the coaches take us...To non league, that's where!

No fan worth his salt should not be complaining about what is happening here this season and by not doing so are in many ways are complicit in the clubs downfall...ie we go where the fans take us to coin a phrase...

Ah you should have seen Frank Lord score all those hat tricks here and not one coaching lesson ever...Pure skill....Finally no academy graduates could have played on the pitches back in that day....they are not strong enough to last 30 mins...Go and see JG score all those goals on such pitches....

Is wartman rdally my friend Luckour? I really hope so but doubt that....

Years ago we used to send small boys up chimneys!! Do you think we would have won the World Cup again if we had not adopted the coaching of players. In other words, be behind every other country in World football. Jimmy Greaves was undoubtedly a great player in hos day. He wouldn't be anywhere near as effective now. Roanaldo and Messi are widely regarded as having been the best players in the world in recent years. Do you think they will not have been coached. Hey, if they hadn't they may have been even better!!

[gazan]

What I don't get, is how people who claim to love this club ONLY ever criticise it. And, that disagreement with the constant whine somehow means we accept everything is okay and all is rosy in the garden. Well, I've got news for the naysayers and doom merchants...you're wrong! What most of us are, is balanced in our approach and, what's more, realistic. It's the easiest position in the world to just dismiss something without thought, e.g. the knee jerk response of 'he hasn't done what I wanted so he should be sacked' or 'they haven't thrown money at something, therefore they're useless'. Believe it or not, reality isn't like that. Virtually nothing in this life is black and white. Those who think it is are either incapable of or unwilling to engage in in any depth of analysis. Furthermore, these people are blind to consequences and future considerations. To sack someone is to cause someone to lose their livelihood. Is that a viable consequence of being irritated by your football teams performance. If the manager and BoD were sacked, who would take their place and would the resources be any different?
I believe, considering that we truly love the club, enough to physically support it AND criticise it, that we have been quite patient with the doom brigade (who have almost never been positive about the club). I, for one am getting a little fed up with the grindingly oppressive tone of the doom-mongers so IF you REALLY support this club, let's see some of that actual support and a little less (NB. "less" not none) droning and moaning.

[jimmyboldon]

If anybody has 2 hours to spare, the latest Railwaymen podcast is well worth a listen. Took me a few hits to complete it, but from being a waverer re Dave’s future tenure as manager, I now firmly believe that we should at least cash in some of that credit he has and give him another season.

[gazan]

Who once said,"There are lies, damned lies and then there are statistics"? This is NOT to suggest that all stats lie, just that CONTEXT is very important. So let's consider some factors: when were Sheff Wed.; ipswich; Sunderland; Bolton etc last all in the same division? When was that division the third tier?" When was the last time half the Alex team were sold to the second tier? When was the last time 2 senior players retired at the beginning of a campaign?
So, lots of unprecedented factors. What is not unprecedented is the fact that we have had an awful run before. But wait a minute! Time for some more context. Wasn't that in the bottom tier? Therefore, not comparable to the present moment!
No doubt the doom-mongers will say I am making excuses. But, this is where those of us as reasonable supporters will point out this is not the case. The above are factors that influence our current position. This is, of course, not to say we accept the situation. No, I think most of us recognise that things are bad at the moment and mistakes have been made. But then, who has not made mistakes? I've certainly made them and ,fortunately, the doom-mongers haven't had a say in the consequences as, no doubt, I would have been hung, drawn and quartered by now.
I also urge people to listen to the interview on The Railwaymen Podcast and listen with an open mind to what is said. There are no excuses, just reasoned responses.
In these times through which we are all living, it should be apparent how important reason is.

[MikeSB]

What I don't get, is how people who claim to love this club ONLY ever criticise it. And, that disagreement with the constant whine somehow means we accept everything is okay and all is rosy in the garden. Well, I've got news for the naysayers and doom merchants...you're wrong! What most of us are, is balanced in our approach and, what's more, realistic. It's the easiest position in the world to just dismiss something without thought, e.g. the knee jerk response of 'he hasn't done what I wanted so he should be sacked' or 'they haven't thrown money at something, therefore they're useless'. Believe it or not, reality isn't like that. Virtually nothing in this life is black and white. Those who think it is are either incapable of or unwilling to engage in in any depth of analysis. Furthermore, these people are blind to consequences and future considerations. To sack someone is to cause someone to lose their livelihood. Is that a viable consequence of being irritated by your football teams performance. If the manager and BoD were sacked, who would take their place and would the resources be any different?
I believe, considering that we truly love the club, enough to physically support it AND criticise it, that we have been quite patient with the doom brigade (who have almost never been positive about the club). I, for one am getting a little fed up with the grindingly oppressive tone of the doom-mongers so IF you REALLY support this club, let's see some of that actual support and a little less (NB. "less" not none) droning and moaning.

My training was in engineering probelms and solutions. I have seen all sides of this club from applying for re election to the Championship. I think its some here that won't engage in any analysis of what is wrong and what is needed to put things right. I have asked this question many times and none of you have ever come back with an answer and so I will just ask it again...

What difference would downgrading the academy to Cat3 or Cat4 make on kids and youths applying at CAFC and indeed the parents who have to take them in the car etc? I very much doubt that any of these ever know the academy category. We don't play PL academy teams and so what is the point? OK two questions but please advise. I'm suggesting as usual that instead of us paying 760K for the academy PER season due to FA regs we could be paying a lot less and that saving could go towards paying better wages and attract better players. How's that for some analysis?

All kids, youths and anybody else wants to play this great game and that is playing in matches not being coached by non entities who mostly have never played the game at a high level and so what do they know about natural ability only what the manual says? My reason that you fail tp realise is we can compare football BEFORE coaching came along and AFTER and so please be honest here...Can you admit that the games are more exciting to watch as a result? Apologies even more questions but say anything you want but not that I fail to engage in detail and you probably won't accept that at ANY other club in football, the manager would have been sacked by now and of course I would feel sorry for DA but there is a vacancy for head of recruitment and so he didn't need to be sacked!

[MikeSB]

Mike I can 100% confirm I am not Wartam. I stopped posting mainly because I realised I was being used by a certain poster to further his dream and his right for Sainthood. Mike you and Wartman doing the exact same. Hope your health has improved and you are no longer experiencing the dizzy spells. Still got that ticket for you. If you are up to it email me. Typical silly me I lost your email

Hi Luckour, I'm really pleased to see you back here if only to confirm above. I'm actually going in for a heart op this weekend actually...I hope to be back soon causing irritation to the some at least...

Thanks again for the offer mate..