O/T:- Ukraine [Incorporating 'Congrats to Russia' thread]

[keldsyke]

Not sure what can be done about the alleged war crimes, but there’s no way Putin will be in a court unless the regime is overthrown which is very unlikely.

[Old_pie]

Not sure what can be done about the alleged war crimes, but there’s no way Putin will be in a court unless the regime is overthrown which is very unlikely.

I wonder how many countries he dare visit in future.

[irishpete]

Not sure what can be done about the alleged war crimes, but there’s no way Putin will be in a court unless the regime is overthrown which is very unlikely.

Will never happen unless a massive change at the top as you say. UN just going through the motions.

[drillerpie]

Nice to see their state TV staying classy by saying the videos of the civilians they tortured and killed in Bucha are fake, offering the following explanations:

1) Crisis actors pretending to be dead
2) Real civilians tortured and killed by their own soldiers
3) A plot by Boris to frame Putin, town chosen because Bucha looks similar to butcher

Meanwhile Ukranian OAPs say that the occupation in WW2 by the actual Nazis was less traumatic than this occupation by the Russians.

Also plenty of video circulating of Russian soldiers calling their wives to say how rich Ukraine is and to boast about how much stuff they have stolen from Ukranian homes. They even stop in uniform at shipping companies in Belarus and Russia to send large stolen electrical appliances back home.

What an absolute insult to humanity Russia is under this current regime.

[irishpete]

Nice to see their state TV staying classy by saying the videos of the civilians they tortured and killed in Bucha are fake, offering the following explanations:

1) Crisis actors pretending to be dead
2) Real civilians tortured and killed by their own soldiers
3) A plot by Boris to frame Putin, town chosen because Bucha looks similar to butcher

Meanwhile Ukranian OAPs say that the occupation in WW2 by the actual Nazis was less traumatic than this occupation by the Russians.

Also plenty of video circulating of Russian soldiers calling their wives to say how rich Ukraine is and to boast about how much stuff they have stolen from Ukranian homes. They even stop in uniform at shipping companies in Belarus and Russia to send large stolen electrical appliances back home.

What an absolute insult to humanity Russia is under this current regime.

Agree, but also hell of a lot will not be going home. I can assure you the Ukranians will have done barbaric things as well. Plenty of videos showing Russian Soldiers killed lying beside Armour vehicles with holes in their heads & brains on the road. the price of war I'm afraid. Like one Russian said on TV, the Ministers Sons aren't on the front line fighting. They sent in young conscripts who were told bullsh!t to put it bluntly.
The one thing the West is seeing out of this, is that their Army is nothing to be feared of.

[drillerpie]

Agree, but also hell of a lot will not be going home. I can assure you the Ukranians will have done barbaric things as well. Plenty of videos showing Russian Soldiers killed lying beside Armour vehicles with holes in their heads & brains on the road. the price of war I'm afraid. Like one Russian said on TV, the Ministers Sons aren't on the front line fighting. They sent in young conscripts who were told bullsh!t to put it bluntly.
The one thing the West is seeing out of this, is that their Army is nothing to be feared of.

Well the Ukranians are being invaded by an occupying force who want to steal their land and exterminate them, so I personally can understand them doing barbaric things - not that shooting invading soldiers is even particularly barbaric compared to what we have seen was happening in the areas formerly under Russian occupation.

[irishpete]

Well the Ukranians are being invaded by an occupying force who want to steal their land and exterminate them, so I personally can understand them doing barbaric things - not that shooting invading soldiers is even particularly barbaric compared to what we have seen was happening in the areas formerly under Russian occupation.

Thats what War is. A Country invading another. Shooting Soldiers isn't barbaric, but do you seriously think the Ukranians haven't taken Russian hostages & tourtered them? Believe you me "All is fair in love & war"

[drillerpie]

Thats what War is. A Country invading another. Shooting Soldiers isn't barbaric, but do you seriously think the Ukranians haven't taken Russian hostages & tourtered them? Believe you me "All is fair in love & war"

Feel like we're getting off track here. Are you asking me if I think Ukrainian soldiers have been to Russia and tied up, tortured and shot their villagers, raped their women and stolen their washing machines and Ipads?

I'm under no illusions about what happens in war zones, but do you really believe this 'whataboutery' mantra that everything is the same everywhere, no matter who does it?

[i961pie]

Agree, but also hell of a lot will not be going home. I can assure you the Ukranians will have done barbaric things as well. Plenty of videos showing Russian Soldiers killed lying beside Armour vehicles with holes in their heads & brains on the road. the price of war I'm afraid. Like one Russian said on TV, the Ministers Sons aren't on the front line fighting. They sent in young conscripts who were told bullsh!t to put it bluntly.
The one thing the West is seeing out of this, is that their Army is nothing to be feared of.

I'm sure British soldiers did some barbaric things in WW2 but it would never excuse the atrocities the Germans committed.

[irishpete]

Feel like we're getting off track here. Are you asking me if I think Ukrainian soldiers have been to Russia and tied up, tortured and shot their villagers, raped their women and stolen their washing machines and Ipads?

I'm under no illusions about what happens in war zones, but do you really believe this 'whataboutery' mantra that everything is the same everywhere, no matter who does it?

I'm not denying what the Russians have done, You'll see my views on Putin & Russia in previous posts, but people are only seeing on the News what the Russians have done. The Ukranian Army & vigilanties will have done things that there is absolutely no mention of, to the Russian Army prisoners they have/had. We know what the Russians have done. The Ukranians will be no Saints
Neither side will be sticking to the rules of war, as seen.
Being reported this morning that the Russians have lost 20000 men since this started