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[ozleeds]

Freedoms and liberties are rarely, if ever, restored without violence and bloodshed. Been that way since we lived in caves.

We also have the issue of mental illness. Many people at believe that masks and vaccines prevent covid. They also believe that locking kids at home instead of going to school worked.

The fact that they don’t work as evidenced by reality does not change their mind. They are mindless sheep

Covid is a scary disease for the elderly and immune challenged. Thief caution is understandable and warranted. For healthy young children and young adults it’s illogical

You do realize that 80 % of the world's population has some form of disease right? Obesity has been the main culprit, Mental Illness diabetes, and Malnutrition on and on it goes. We are fed chemicals and given more chemicals to try to fix what the other chemicals gave us. Healthy people my foot. Now where that Rev I could use a few beers
And once and for all masks and vaccines are there to restrict the effects of covid and when have they come out and said it's the cure.
Lady at the supermarket I hadn't seen for 2 weeks and asked where she had been and told me had covid. Asked her what was it like for her she said shocking felt so sick for 2 days 2 f days lol wonder what she would have been like with out having her shots.

[spaldy]

Oz,

I guess I'll clarify my statement. Masks don't work for covid. If you smell farts through a mask (you do... I know from first hand experience) then you sure will breathe in the virus. It's 200 times smaller than a fart molecule. It's kabuki theater and it's a sign you supplicate yourself to some bureaucrat that want's to see if you are docile enough to walk into the cattle car. we all did. The kids are still wearing them at the local school. .00002% death rate for elementary school kids and they have to wear those symbols of compliance all day. Many of them can't even function without wearing them.

The vaccines don't work either. I know from first hand experience since I got covid in February of 2020 from someone that went to mickey mouse land and brought it back from someone from china. Later on I had to get the vaccine or I'd lose my job and I did. I still resent myself for bending my knee to some pharma company that made billions of dollars selling it to the government. They found out who the serfs were and who is going to cause problems down the road.

Natural immunity is the best prevention and I had it. I'm fine with people getting the vaccine that were fortunate and had not gotten covid but once you've had it you'll have way more immunity than this "vaccine" will provide. who knows what this vaccine will do the the young kids that had almost no risk of dying but still were forced to take it.

history will not be kind to this "pandemic". sooner or later people will figure out what really went on control, power and profit wise.

[WTF11]

Oz,

I guess I'll clarify my statement. Masks don't work for covid. If you smell farts through a mask (you do... I know from first hand experience) then you sure will breathe in the virus. It's 200 times smaller than a fart molecule. It's kabuki theater and it's a sign you supplicate yourself to some bureaucrat that want's to see if you are docile enough to walk into the cattle car. we all did. The kids are still wearing them at the local school. .00002% death rate for elementary school kids and they have to wear those symbols of compliance all day. Many of them can't even function without wearing them.

The vaccines don't work either. I know from first hand experience since I got covid in February of 2020 from someone that went to mickey mouse land and brought it back from someone from china. Later on I had to get the vaccine or I'd lose my job and I did. I still resent myself for bending my knee to some pharma company that made billions of dollars selling it to the government. They found out who the serfs were and who is going to cause problems down the road.

Natural immunity is the best prevention and I had it. I'm fine with people getting the vaccine that were fortunate and had not gotten covid but once you've had it you'll have way more immunity than this "vaccine" will provide. who knows what this vaccine will do the the young kids that had almost no risk of dying but still were forced to take it.

history will not be kind to this "pandemic". sooner or later people will figure out what really went on control, power and profit wise.

Agree with some of the above. not all (I suspect I'm not alone).

I never have, never will "supplicate" to anyone, or anything, at any time or in any place or at any time, under any circumstances, particularly now I have no-one that might suffer if I didn't. I suspect I'm not alone. We didn't all, and we won't all.

Vaccines DO work! The population of the UK are returning to some semblance of "normal" PRECISLEY because we have vaccination rates in the high nineties, across 1st, 2nd and booster levels, COUPLED with immunity generated from infection and recovery. Vaccines don't guarantee you wont get infected, they DO reduce the effects of being infected, THAT is proven. Suggesting otherwise simply makes any outbreak more likely to kill because people refuse to be vaccinated/boosted, do you want that?

I have had Covid, I have been vaccinated and boosted (3rd vaccination), my heart is scarred from the first infection, I'm alive because my body has been protected by the anti-bodies generated by natural immunity and the vaccines If you wish not be be vaccinated, so be it, suffer the consequences, as many hundreds of thousands have, from serious health degradation to death, that is your privilege, but please don't promote such selfishness.

As to the pandemic, there will be no "figuring out", people aren't interested in long term, only in the here and now, and those of us who have survived infection and its after effects should think long and hard about suggesting that people shouldn't protect themselves, depending on chance and luck when it comes to being infected and surviving.

[spaldy]

There are side effects from the vaccines. They are well known amongst the medical community. It's had the highest adverse reaction rate for a vaccine since the initial rollout of the German Measles vaccine in the 1960's. They are not risk free. This is especially the case for the young and healthy. Believe what you want but sooner or later the VARS data will get out. Pfizer and Moderna will be bankrupted as it will come out that they hid the adverse reactions. They may be exempt from liability from the vaccine production but they are not protected against fraudulently hiding the adverse reactions. These vaccines were mandated in many parts of the world without regard to the risk factor to the recipient or, for that matter their effectiveness. It's not as simple as saying anyone who does not get vaccinated doesn't give a hoot about people who might give covid to someone else. Vaccinated people spew out the virus as much as non vaccinated people. It may keep the vaccinated person from getting really sick but they don't stop the spread of the virus.


Comparing rapidly developed and untested vaccines that don't really work in prevention or spread to vaccines such as Smallpox, MMR or Tetanus is disingenous. They are no more the same thing as comparing Politician to a healthcare worker.

My wife is a retired nurse (2022) from a renowned childrens hospital in Indiana. My daughter is a stem cell/ CART nurse at the premier cancer hospital in Colorado. So yes.... I do know people who have died including friends of my wife and daughter. They know lots of patients that have died or been gourked out by covid or an adverse vaccine adverse reaction.

We agree to disagree and let's just leave it at that. There is no right answer on this matter but it would be nice if all personal choice was not just eliminated by a politician. And yes, you did supplicate yourself if you vaccinated yourself and it was not your choice. If it was your choice that's great. It was not my choice so I bent my knee.

FWIW- I believe that China has near a 90% vaccination rate. It's the highest in the world. What is happening now speaks for itself.

[ozleeds]

There are side effects from the vaccines. They are well known amongst the medical community. It's had the highest adverse reaction rate for a vaccine since the initial rollout of the German Measles vaccine in the 1960's. They are not risk free. This is especially the case for the young and healthy. Believe what you want but sooner or later the VARS data will get out. Pfizer and Moderna will be bankrupted as it will come out that they hid the adverse reactions. They may be exempt from liability from the vaccine production but they are not protected against fraudulently hiding the adverse reactions. These vaccines were mandated in many parts of the world without regard to the risk factor to the recipient or, for that matter their effectiveness. It's not as simple as saying anyone who does not get vaccinated doesn't give a hoot about people who might give covid to someone else. Vaccinated people spew out the virus as much as non vaccinated people. It may keep the vaccinated person from getting really sick but they don't stop the spread of the virus.


Comparing rapidly developed and untested vaccines that don't really work in prevention or spread to vaccines such as Smallpox, MMR or Tetanus is disingenous. They are no more the same thing as comparing Politician to a healthcare worker.

My wife is a retired nurse (2022) from a renowned childrens hospital in Indiana. My daughter is a stem cell/ CART nurse at the premier cancer hospital in Colorado. So yes.... I do know people who have died including friends of my wife and daughter. They know lots of patients that have died or been gourked out by covid or an adverse vaccine adverse reaction.

We agree to disagree and let's just leave it at that. There is no right answer on this matter but it would be nice if all personal choice was not just eliminated by a politician. And yes, you did supplicate yourself if you vaccinated yourself and it was not your choice. If it was your choice that's great. It was not my choice so I bent my knee.

FWIW- I believe that China has near a 90% vaccination rate. It's the highest in the world. What is happening now speaks for itself.

The difference there mate is they vaccinated them all with their own vaccines. And you are right about the big companies When the small company I presume was small developing, the Astra vaccine they were spruiking fear tactics so much so phizer become the most wanted vaccine and then followed Moderna with the slogan more of a natural vaccine.
As for when the truth comes out well Phizer has been getting away with murder for years why change now? Money speaks wars kill and only ones that suffer is the majority in favor of the minority profiteers.

[spaldy]

Oz,

I'll totally blow your opinion of me. I'm an insurance geek. Yes, I married up!

[spaldy]

At least I'm not a politician, journalist or a lawyer.

[ozleeds]

At least I'm not a politician, journalist or a lawyer.

That's good news but just the same you are not far behind them He He
Lawyers banks, man they have really drained me with my house. The settlement is on the 10 next month and the deposit money is sitting in a real estate trust waiting to be released to me so I can get a car and go find my new place. So far because of them I have put in and lost 4 units in retirement villages because no money to put down a deposit. I contacted the Lawyer yesterday and asked them what happen to you pushing for the early release which you are charging me 700 dollars? She blamed the bank holding the mortgage holding things up and said I can ring them instead to speed things up! I said WTF and hung up.
So I am in limbo with no money no car and 10 days I have to be out of the house.

[WTF11]

Oz,

I guess I'll clarify my statement. Masks don't work for covid. If you smell farts through a mask (you do... I know from first hand experience) then you sure will breathe in the virus. It's 200 times smaller than a fart molecule. It's kabuki theater and it's a sign you supplicate yourself to some bureaucrat that want's to see if you are docile enough to walk into the cattle car. we all did. The kids are still wearing them at the local school. .00002% death rate for elementary school kids and they have to wear those symbols of compliance all day. Many of them can't even function without wearing them.

The vaccines don't work either. I know from first hand experience since I got covid in February of 2020 from someone that went to mickey mouse land and brought it back from someone from china. Later on I had to get the vaccine or I'd lose my job and I did. I still resent myself for bending my knee to some pharma company that made billions of dollars selling it to the government. They found out who the serfs were and who is going to cause problems down the road.

Natural immunity is the best prevention and I had it. I'm fine with people getting the vaccine that were fortunate and had not gotten covid but once you've had it you'll have way more immunity than this "vaccine" will provide. who knows what this vaccine will do the the young kids that had almost no risk of dying but still were forced to take it.

history will not be kind to this "pandemic". sooner or later people will figure out what really went on control, power and profit wise.

And it's not just Covid where vaccines work. Smallpox killed millions until a vaccine was developed. It's now eradicated in all but the poorest and most difficult to vaccinate areas of the world. The MMR (Measles, Mumps, Rubella) vaccine has seen incidence of those three killers/debilitators reduce by over 80% where used, and until the lies of Andrew Wakefield interfered, whose intervention/scare-mongering based on no scientific evidence whatsoever has resulted in an epidemic of Measles, rendering many ****agers sterile from the after-effects of adult measles, killing others, accepted as a "good thing"!!!!

Vaccines work, and the recent experience of Covid vaccine development PROVES that development can be rapid, if there is a will to make it so.

You originally suggested China was responsible for Covid, yet China, with its "zero covid" policy is killing its own economy whereas the rest of the world, slowly but surely, is returning to a semblance of normality. If anything, the virus has removed from many countries/regions of the world the old and infirm, leaving behind the fit, healthy, vigorous, productive! And as for control, have you seen the protests regarding covid controls, worldwide? They are indicative of a population that is LESS likely to accept government control than any since WWII.

[ozleeds]

Oz,

I guess I'll clarify my statement. Masks don't work for covid. If you smell farts through a mask (you do... I know from first hand experience) then you sure will breathe in the virus. It's 200 times smaller than a fart molecule. It's kabuki theater and it's a sign you supplicate yourself to some bureaucrat that want's to see if you are docile enough to walk into the cattle car. we all did. The kids are still wearing them at the local school. .00002% death rate for elementary school kids and they have to wear those symbols of compliance all day. Many of them can't even function without wearing them.

The vaccines don't work either. I know from first hand experience since I got covid in February of 2020 from someone that went to mickey mouse land and brought it back from someone from china. Later on I had to get the vaccine or I'd lose my job and I did. I still resent myself for bending my knee to some pharma company that made billions of dollars selling it to the government. They found out who the serfs were and who is going to cause problems down the road.

Natural immunity is the best prevention and I had it. I'm fine with people getting the vaccine that were fortunate and had not gotten covid but once you've had it you'll have way more immunity than this "vaccine" will provide. who knows what this vaccine will do the the young kids that had almost no risk of dying but still were forced to take it.

history will not be kind to this "pandemic". sooner or later people will figure out what really went on control, power and profit wise.

Natural IMMUNITY? Have you tried talking to people who have died and most importantly the non-believers of vaccines that have died or say talk to someone you so cal healthy that got over it but passed it on to others that have died? As for masks they are not to protect things coming in but to keep things within eg cough masks protect the germs from flying out. Again they aren't a fix rather than limiting the damage. Anyone would be silly to believe a vaccine made so quickly is a cure.
history will not be kind to this "pandemic". sooner or later people will figure out what really went on in control, power, and profit-wise. Hasn't this been the case in human history.
We have an election coming in 3 weeks. Gas electricity food and everything else is skyrocketing so much so that I have a little heater on my foot to heat me up rather than using the ducted heating. The politicians more or less wiped their hands and said such is life and have no plans to address them. In the end, all these crooks go down the same way as us and I sure hope to god they melt in hell for their greedyness and wrong doings.