What Next

[spaldy]

There are side effects from the vaccines. They are well known amongst the medical community. It's had the highest adverse reaction rate for a vaccine since the initial rollout of the German Measles vaccine in the 1960's. They are not risk free. This is especially the case for the young and healthy. Believe what you want but sooner or later the VARS data will get out. Pfizer and Moderna will be bankrupted as it will come out that they hid the adverse reactions. They may be exempt from liability from the vaccine production but they are not protected against fraudulently hiding the adverse reactions. These vaccines were mandated in many parts of the world without regard to the risk factor to the recipient or, for that matter their effectiveness. It's not as simple as saying anyone who does not get vaccinated doesn't give a hoot about people who might give covid to someone else. Vaccinated people spew out the virus as much as non vaccinated people. It may keep the vaccinated person from getting really sick but they don't stop the spread of the virus.


Comparing rapidly developed and untested vaccines that don't really work in prevention or spread to vaccines such as Smallpox, MMR or Tetanus is disingenous. They are no more the same thing as comparing Politician to a healthcare worker.

My wife is a retired nurse (2022) from a renowned childrens hospital in Indiana. My daughter is a stem cell/ CART nurse at the premier cancer hospital in Colorado. So yes.... I do know people who have died including friends of my wife and daughter. They know lots of patients that have died or been gourked out by covid or an adverse vaccine adverse reaction.

We agree to disagree and let's just leave it at that. There is no right answer on this matter but it would be nice if all personal choice was not just eliminated by a politician. And yes, you did supplicate yourself if you vaccinated yourself and it was not your choice. If it was your choice that's great. It was not my choice so I bent my knee.

FWIW- I believe that China has near a 90% vaccination rate. It's the highest in the world. What is happening now speaks for itself.

[ozleeds]

There are side effects from the vaccines. They are well known amongst the medical community. It's had the highest adverse reaction rate for a vaccine since the initial rollout of the German Measles vaccine in the 1960's. They are not risk free. This is especially the case for the young and healthy. Believe what you want but sooner or later the VARS data will get out. Pfizer and Moderna will be bankrupted as it will come out that they hid the adverse reactions. They may be exempt from liability from the vaccine production but they are not protected against fraudulently hiding the adverse reactions. These vaccines were mandated in many parts of the world without regard to the risk factor to the recipient or, for that matter their effectiveness. It's not as simple as saying anyone who does not get vaccinated doesn't give a hoot about people who might give covid to someone else. Vaccinated people spew out the virus as much as non vaccinated people. It may keep the vaccinated person from getting really sick but they don't stop the spread of the virus.


Comparing rapidly developed and untested vaccines that don't really work in prevention or spread to vaccines such as Smallpox, MMR or Tetanus is disingenous. They are no more the same thing as comparing Politician to a healthcare worker.

My wife is a retired nurse (2022) from a renowned childrens hospital in Indiana. My daughter is a stem cell/ CART nurse at the premier cancer hospital in Colorado. So yes.... I do know people who have died including friends of my wife and daughter. They know lots of patients that have died or been gourked out by covid or an adverse vaccine adverse reaction.

We agree to disagree and let's just leave it at that. There is no right answer on this matter but it would be nice if all personal choice was not just eliminated by a politician. And yes, you did supplicate yourself if you vaccinated yourself and it was not your choice. If it was your choice that's great. It was not my choice so I bent my knee.

FWIW- I believe that China has near a 90% vaccination rate. It's the highest in the world. What is happening now speaks for itself.

The difference there mate is they vaccinated them all with their own vaccines. And you are right about the big companies When the small company I presume was small developing, the Astra vaccine they were spruiking fear tactics so much so phizer become the most wanted vaccine and then followed Moderna with the slogan more of a natural vaccine.
As for when the truth comes out well Phizer has been getting away with murder for years why change now? Money speaks wars kill and only ones that suffer is the majority in favor of the minority profiteers.

[spaldy]

Oz,

I'll totally blow your opinion of me. I'm an insurance geek. Yes, I married up!

[spaldy]

At least I'm not a politician, journalist or a lawyer.

[ozleeds]

At least I'm not a politician, journalist or a lawyer.

That's good news but just the same you are not far behind them He He
Lawyers banks, man they have really drained me with my house. The settlement is on the 10 next month and the deposit money is sitting in a real estate trust waiting to be released to me so I can get a car and go find my new place. So far because of them I have put in and lost 4 units in retirement villages because no money to put down a deposit. I contacted the Lawyer yesterday and asked them what happen to you pushing for the early release which you are charging me 700 dollars? She blamed the bank holding the mortgage holding things up and said I can ring them instead to speed things up! I said WTF and hung up.
So I am in limbo with no money no car and 10 days I have to be out of the house.