📝 Tobi Adebayo-Rowling Signs

[laddo]

The theory is this, I guess:

- Most managerial appointments fail. This is obvious, because most are sacked within a year or two.
- When one does hit it big and transform the club, they tend to leave for a bigger job within a year or two. As happened to us the last two times this happened with Allardyce and Cotterill.
- If they’re in charge of everything, culture, style of play, signings etc etc then when they leave you’re just back to playing a numbers game which is against you because we know most appointments fail.
- If you run a club like Notts, where the manager doesn’t deal with recruitment really and you’re looking for someone who plays the same way, give or take, each time, you’re less reliant on hitting on some magic formula that then disappears a few months down the line.

I don’t think we’re evidence for it either working or not working yet. My view would be that our structure makes it less likely that we’re going to have a one-off amazing season, but makes it much more likely that we won’t have a terrible season and will make progress over a longer time period. It’s pick your poison, I guess.

That is just what I and a fellow Pie have just been discussing on the phone, almost to the letter. Added that the random approach requires the new manager to have necessary time to assess the squad, sign the players he wants, move others out to reflect and adapt to their new style/approach. If you keep the the overall club approach/philosophy and keep managerial appointments in line with it(like Swansea did to great success, and others also adopt) it is at least one less variable, one less associated risk. It should also quicken the bedding in period for any new manager as they are in the main happy with the player type/players and likewise the players all also happy with less distrubance to what they've been learning under the old boss.

Don't get me wrong I get the concern that the slower, longer method is far from ideal when in NL, and operating below where we should be, but lets be honest we would be saying the same in L2 if this was introduced before our relegation. It's hard to patient in this league but its the better of two options IMO. As mentioned earlier it's far too early to state conclude or even comment on whether this approach will work or not, but a flashback to the alternative means I am happy to find out.

[CamPie]

At this level, so far, Grimsby are the only team to have gone up via the play offs having lost in the play offs three times previously.

Number of 5th tier Play off failures before going up via the play off final
Hartlepool - 0
Harrogate - 1
Salford - 0
Tranmere - 1 (lost in final)
Forest Green - 2 (lost one final)
Grimsby - 3 (lost one final)
Bristol Rovers - 0
Cambridge - 2 (lost 2 finals during a 9 season stint)
Newport - 0
York City - 2 (lost one final)
Wimbledon - 0
Oxford - 1
Torquay - 1
Exeter - 1 (lost in final)
Morecambe - 2
Hereford - 2
Carlisle - 0
Shrewsbury - 0
Doncaster - 0

Oh b*****r it let’s all give up now then!! Anyone want to buy a 22/23 season ticket second-hand, hardly (never) used, going cheap as there’s just no point! (Although hold on we’ve just made a cracking signing of a young striker who scored 30 in the league below plus a quick strong wing-back and re-signed an experienced and consistent RCB/RB. Maybe I’ll stick it out another year).

Or in other words try and see something positive rather than the constant negatives, we get it you’re not happy with the current status of the club but if it is all so bad why are you bothering?

[upthemaggies]

Or in other words try and see something positive rather than the constant negatives, we get it you’re not happy with the current status of the club but if it is all so bad why are you bothering?

If the country I was born, raised and lived in was being destroyed or going to ruin then I'd probably be interested in the reasons why that was happening and I'd feel a need to wade into the discussion.

Notts are my team, unfortunately.

[countygump]

Oh b*****r it let’s all give up now then!! Anyone want to buy a 22/23 season ticket second-hand, hardly (never) used, going cheap as there’s just no point! (Although hold on we’ve just made a cracking signing of a young striker who scored 30 in the league below plus a quick strong wing-back and re-signed an experienced and consistent RCB/RB. Maybe I’ll stick it out another year).

Or in other words try and see something positive rather than the constant negatives, we get it you’re not happy with the current status of the club but if it is all so bad why are you bothering?

For someone who's happy enough that their club's recruitment is stats based, you seem a tad distressed to have a few stats thrown your way.

[laddo]

UTM seemingly isn't happy at all and has really changed tone recently.

He's always provided regular unusual statistics and some really interesting ones to boot, but it would be nice if we had one with a positive slant.

Just one? Pretty please.

[magpie_mania]

If the country I was born, raised and lived in was being destroyed or going to ruin then I'd probably be interested in the reasons why that was happening and I'd feel a need to wade into the discussion.

Notts are my team, unfortunately.

That would be ok if we are being destroyed and going to ruin.

Glad to say neither of those are true.

[upthemaggies]

For someone who's happy enough that their club's recruitment is stats based, you seem a tad distressed to have a few stats thrown your way.

I thought Jacob might have made a fair point about teams getting over the line eventually after numerous play off set backs and, after checking it out was a bit surprised to see that Grimsby were the only team to have had 3 failures before going up. All three of theirs were in succession before they won the final, although their final league positions were slightly better:- 4th, 4th and 3rd before finishing 4th again the year they went up. They had finished 11th twice before that sequence and also lost two FA Trophy finals.

[Old_pie]

UTM seemingly isn't happy at all and has really changed tone recently.

He's always provided regular unusual statistics and some really interesting ones to boot, but it would be nice if we had one with a positive slant.

Just one? Pretty please.

I'll give you one. We haven't been relegated yet this decade. That should make you happy.

[upthemaggies]

UTM seemingly isn't happy at all and has really changed tone recently.

Appreciate you pointing this out, that I'm not a miserable old git by default.

The double whammy of Notts losing to Grimsby in the way they did and Fword going up has sent me into a tailspin.

[CamPie]

For someone who's happy enough that their club's recruitment is stats based, you seem a tad distressed to have a few stats thrown your way.

But those stats mean nothing. “Grimsby the only team to have gone up (so far) having lost 3 times in the play-offs”. What does it mean? If you lost 3 times already then there’s no chance of ever going up? What a load of b****x frankly. Maybe we’ve performed better than most of the other league sides relegated to the NL because we’ve reached the play-offs every year. 2 of those years complete disruptions from our near bankruptcy and COVID. I am very happy the club is being run well and am certain it will be sooner rather than later we step back up again. Of course I hoped it was this year (or the last two) but glad we’re not looking at impending doom at the end of each season any more. This league will continue to be tough to get promoted from but if we keep doing things right off the pitch then our chances on it will continue to improve. I hope the Reedtz are here for the long term and the style of football also - with the caveat I’ve put in other posts that we do need to add that steel in the middle.