What is it with Americans and guns!

[baggieal]

You’re correct about Farage, the ‘Pied Piper’ of Brexit. I have said as much before but the more guns there are in society, the more people will be shot. If you feel the need for protection in your own home there are a number of alternatives to firearms.

I prefer my daughters rounders bat!

[baggiematt]

The incredible irony of someone living in America having a pop about immigration must be totally lost on this guy.

Unless I’ve totally misread the situation and he’s commenting on this thread with his peace pipe in hand…

[Robus]

The incredible irony of someone living in America having a pop about immigration must be totally lost on this guy.

Unless I’ve totally misread the situation and he’s commenting on this thread with his peace pipe in hand…

Translation: "Americans really have no right to live within secure borders. PS. Neither do we English."

We will see about that. We deciding right now whether our children and grandchildren will have a place to call home on this planet. I hope we will not surrender.

[Albionic68]

Translation: "Americans really have no right to live within secure borders. PS. Neither do we English."

We will see about that. We deciding right now whether our children and grandchildren will have a place to call home on this planet. I hope we will not surrender.

No wish to add fuel to a fire but I think his point has sailed over your head like a stray bullet.

Unless you're a native American, you yourself and your direct lineage are...... immigrants. Not judging you in this respect.

By the way, genuinely interested to know your weapon(s) of choice while touring the land of the brave and the home of the free on your motorbike.

In my minds eye you must look like an extra from a Mad Max movie with a belt fed machine gun mounted on a sidecar for whomever rides pillion 😊 .

[kettering_baggie]

No wish to add fuel to a fire but I think his point has sailed over your head like a stray bullet.

Unless you're a native American, you yourself and your direct lineage are...... immigrants. Not judging you in this respect.

By the way, genuinely interested to know your weapon(s) of choice while touring the land of the brave and the home of the free on your motorbike.

In my minds eye you must look like an extra from a Mad Max movie with a belt fed machine gun mounted on a sidecar for whomever rides pillion �� .

There used to be a bloke that regularly attended the Summer ‘bike nights on Poole Quay riding an old Cossack motorcycle and sidecar; the sidecar had a machine gun mounting on the front, and yes, he did have the weapon on board! However, the sidecar passenger probably posed a greater threat to miscreants, it was an enormous, long haired German Shepherd! The bloke said that he never needed to lock the outfit, there was a large bone hanging from the back of the sidecar, he ‘suggested’ that it was the remains of a potential thief…….!

[Robus]

No wish to add fuel to a fire but I think his point has sailed over your head like a stray bullet.

Unless you're a native American, you yourself and your direct lineage are...... immigrants. Not judging you in this respect.

By the way, genuinely interested to know your weapon(s) of choice while touring the land of the brave and the home of the free on your motorbike.

In my minds eye you must look like an extra from a Mad Max movie with a belt fed machine gun mounted on a sidecar for whomever rides pillion �� .

No, his point landed on target. I translated the irony into plain language: He is saying that Europeans once displaced pre-existing populations in the Americas. Therefore what right have we to a homeland here? The flavor of the irony comes from two ideas left hanging in the air. This first is anthropological: Peoples come and go from history. You will be replaced in your turn. Haha! The second point is moralistic: The crimes of your ancestors will be repeated upon you...karma baby!

The first is true. The second is incoherent. To the whole argument, I'd say it's mistaken on a premise. The premise is that our right to enjoy a homeland with secure borders depends upon what in American real estate we call "clear title." If our title is somehow tainted--lets say because our ancestors displaced Amerindians--then the land isn't really ours. However, our right to live within secure borders is a human right. We did not inherit it. It is not tainted. We do not lack "clear title."

That's as plain as I can make it.

I used to post on the Wolves forum years back, including pictorials of my motorcycle tours. Firearm laws vary from state to state, making it difficult to obey the law while staying safe when traveling across country. The constraints of a motorcycle add to the challenge. Hypothetically, I'd be happy with a J frame revolver and a can of pepper stray.

[kettering_baggie]

Translation: "Americans really have no right to live within secure borders. PS. Neither do we English."

We will see about that. We deciding right now whether our children and grandchildren will have a place to call home on this planet. I hope we will not surrender.

Immigration has been badly managed in many countries but you cannot blame people wanting to find a better life for themselves and escape from poverty and war. Politicians in western countries are the ones to blame for this mismanagement but the idea that we should all arm ourselves with automatic weapons, presumably to aim them at immigrants, is absurd. Hatred breeds hatred and aggression generates more aggression; there is surely a better way than buying a machine gun!

[baggiematt]

Translation: "Americans really have no right to live within secure borders. PS. Neither do we English."

We will see about that. We deciding right now whether our children and grandchildren will have a place to call home on this planet. I hope we will not surrender.

You have had 27 immigrant children (or immigrant descendants) killed by another immigrant (or immigrant descendant) with automatic weapons and your answer is....stop immigrants.

And yet the current crop of immigrants that inhabited America, who absolutely love weapons are so cowardly that they can't even protect their children from themselves.

You genuinely need immigrants to improve the gene pool as your current population don't have the guts to protect your own.

Home of the brave...load of tosh!