Quote Originally Posted by Robus View Post
Thankfully these working class (and some military trained) Korean-Americans did have access:

https://youtu.be/DBcYaR4M_w8

I wish a few more of these had done:

https://youtu.be/4ne_w2rvBvU

We are sitting on opposite sides of a paradigm shift and will view those videos accordingly. I wonder: doesn't your heart rise a little watching the first video, and sink a bit watching the second?
I can see where you are coming from but the 2 videos represent, in some was, the initial point of my post. In both cases looting is obviously wrong and innocent people and businesses have a right to be protected and in both cases the police failed to do so. The difference is that in the first video ( US) they have guns and in the second (UK) they don't so in which scenario do you think people are more likely to be killed or seriously injured?

The US has a gun culture and nothing will now ever stop that and I understand that if the "bad" guys have guns then law enforcement need them too to adequately counteract that threat. I also get that in cases where people feel vulnerable and that the police cannot protect them that they would arm themselves. What I do not understand is how so many Americans don't see how making access to guns -especially AR15 style weapons-so easy and increasing the numbers of firearms is not also increasing the risk factor of them being used.