O/T Bending the knee farce

[ramAnag]

‘Sport shouldn’t be used for political gains anyway’.
So you don’t approve of the role played by sport in bringing down apartheid, standing up to Hitler or, to take the most obvious recent example, alienating Putin?

As regards the rest...so long as there are football fans elsewhere in Europe who routinely abuse black players or football fans in the UK who indulge in on line abuse of black footballers when they miss a penalty etc then there is a case for continuing to ‘take the knee’. Only those with a right wing agenda will be actually offended by the practice anyway.

Having said that there is a danger that it becomes less meaningful as it becomes more routine however overall it does more good than harm imo, so that makes eleven Andy.

[Trickytreesreds]

‘Sport shouldn’t be used for political gains anyway’.
So you don’t approve of the role played by sport in bringing down apartheid, standing up to Hitler or, to take the most obvious recent example, alienating Putin?

As regards the rest...so long as there are football fans elsewhere in Europe who routinely abuse black players or football fans in the UK who indulge in on line abuse of black footballers when they miss a penalty etc then there is a case for continuing to ‘take the knee’. Only those with a right wing agenda will be actually offended by the practice anyway.

Having said that there is a danger that it becomes less meaningful as it becomes more routine however overall it does more good than harm imo, so that makes eleven Andy.

All well and good, if people only see it the way you see it.
But as I've highlighted. BLM movement isn't just about what what you want it to mean.
It's a radical political movement, corrupt to the core and been rumbled for its hypocrisy with the money grabbing.
In the states, the place it started. The divisions there are now even greater as a result.

We have laws in this country/ an anti racism campaign in football anyway,
This obviously riles fans up, time to stop it.
Efforts would be better placed in schools if anywhere,
By the time it reaches the pitches, it's too late.

[Andy_Faber]

‘Sport shouldn’t be used for political gains anyway’.
So you don’t approve of the role played by sport in bringing down apartheid, standing up to Hitler or, to take the most obvious recent example, alienating Putin?

As regards the rest...so long as there are football fans elsewhere in Europe who routinely abuse black players or football fans in the UK who indulge in on line abuse of black footballers when they miss a penalty etc then there is a case for continuing to ‘take the knee’. Only those with a right wing agenda will be actually offended by the practice anyway.

Having said that there is a danger that it becomes less meaningful as it becomes more routine however overall it does more good than harm imo, so that makes eleven Andy.

To your credit your line of reasoning is more powerful than most of those defending the knee elsewhere. I did come across a facebook page where there were more supporters, many capable of reasoned arguments, but there are too many who respond to well-thought-through arguments against it with nothing more than 'racist!!!!', similar in fact to one our own more extreme posters.

MA puts it well, that its run its course and become a sideshow, but its initial alignment with what was/is clearly a political movement (sorry but TTR's observations regarding BLM's stated objectives are broadly correct) meant it was never likely to change many hearts or minds.

My contention (as with most things) is not the laudible aim but the attempt by 'those who know best' to indoctrinate/brainwash 'those who know less well'