O/T Bending the knee farce

[Trickytreesreds]

To best of my interpretation.

1. Folks are sick to death of it being rammed down their throats. BLM was the latest craze, among the protest generation.
It is viewed as, you must feel guilt/anger/ acceptance that you are the cause of all the USA based problems that started this.
We have been on an anti racism campaign for sometime. Apart from obvious clubs like Milwall, I think it has come a very long way.
Generations of past bias have been set aside. BLM organisers seem to want some sort of vendetta, of guilt by heritage imposing.
They are saying, enough is enough. We don't condone racism, but we aint having the card imposed on us evry game.
A lot od people feel as I do, it has no place in sport does politics.
( I don't know how much you read Facebook, but there are loads of pages of Palestinian athletes reusing to participate in event stages, when they come up against a Jew. They seem to think this is a good thing for sport, I don't )

2. Booing of bending the knee- see above
Abuse on line or even a game, is against the law. Football I'm afraid has been a predominant working class sport and any predjudices come from the streets they grew up in. You can hardly class rugby/cricket in the same bracket, as to pardon the pun. They are usually the sports, the private class of schools specialise in and it hardly has the same following as a result. For every supporter that attends a game, there must be 100 who watch it on tv or online, giving their allegience to a club. The pool for sucking in the nob heads gets bigger.
Again I'll say it. This will change over the generations and through schools. The influx of migration has come as a shock to the country for the last 50 years. It will die out as acceptance is reached.
3. It isn't unreasonable at all.
We were doing it before, but the BLM knee position came from the USA- by a socialist anarchy movement, with aims way different from what you want them to believe.
Folks take no joy from the police brutality in the states, but is it that way here?
They have seen the gloryfication of a drug riddled violent criminal. They have seen the organisers of BLM cream money off the top for themselves and family. Money donated in good faith.
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/rebecc...-down-n2590130
https://nypost.com/2021/04/10/marxis...zy-la-enclave/

The BLM stance is the thing that wants binning, not the anti racism
As for Europe. Do you really believe that bending the knee in Poland/Hungary/ Slovakia/Romania etc is going to change anything? They are predominantly white countries, with no interest in migration coming in.
After years of soviet control and doctrination, they are as far removed from integration as Hitler was from a Sukkot festival.
Thet are not going to change any time soon and ramming their faces in it, aggrevates them even more.

I've told you before RA. I admire your beliefs and convictions.
I find them very naive though and detatched from what's happening in the world.
One day, you'll get your dream, but you can't get everyone to comply and you certainly cannot get countries to comply that don't want to.

In short, the message you want to send is correct. But BLM movement has no place here.
Its political/divisive/destructive and powder keg.
But thats my side of the fence. You obviously won't agree, so good luck in your quest.

[ramAnag]

To best of my interpretation.

1. Folks are sick to death of it being rammed down their throats. BLM was the latest craze, among the protest generation.
It is viewed as, you must feel guilt/anger/ acceptance that you are the cause of all the USA based problems that started this.
We have been on an anti racism campaign for sometime. Apart from obvious clubs like Milwall, I think it has come a very long way.
Generations of past bias have been set aside. BLM organisers seem to want some sort of vendetta, of guilt by heritage imposing.
They are saying, enough is enough. We don't condone racism, but we aint having the card imposed on us evry game.
A lot od people feel as I do, it has no place in sport does politics.
( I don't know how much you read Facebook, but there are loads of pages of Palestinian athletes reusing to participate in event stages, when they come up against a Jew. They seem to think this is a good thing for sport, I don't )

2. Booing of bending the knee- see above
Abuse on line or even a game, is against the law. Football I'm afraid has been a predominant working class sport and any predjudices come from the streets they grew up in. You can hardly class rugby/cricket in the same bracket, as to pardon the pun. They are usually the sports, the private class of schools specialise in and it hardly has the same following as a result. For every supporter that attends a game, there must be 100 who watch it on tv or online, giving their allegience to a club. The pool for sucking in the nob heads gets bigger.
Again I'll say it. This will change over the generations and through schools. The influx of migration has come as a shock to the country for the last 50 years. It will die out as acceptance is reached.
3. It isn't unreasonable at all.
We were doing it before, but the BLM knee position came from the USA- by a socialist anarchy movement, with aims way different from what you want them to believe.
Folks take no joy from the police brutality in the states, but is it that way here?
They have seen the gloryfication of a drug riddled violent criminal. They have seen the organisers of BLM cream money off the top for themselves and family. Money donated in good faith.
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/rebecc...-down-n2590130
https://nypost.com/2021/04/10/marxis...zy-la-enclave/

The BLM stance is the thing that wants binning, not the anti racism
As for Europe. Do you really believe that bending the knee in Poland/Hungary/ Slovakia/Romania etc is going to change anything? They are predominantly white countries, with no interest in migration coming in.
After years of soviet control and doctrination, they are as far removed from integration as Hitler was from a Sukkot festival.
Thet are not going to change any time soon and ramming their faces in it, aggrevates them even more.

I've told you before RA. I admire your beliefs and convictions.
I find them very naive though and detatched from what's happening in the world.
One day, you'll get your dream, but you can't get everyone to comply and you certainly cannot get countries to comply that don't want to.

In short, the message you want to send is correct. But BLM movement has no place here.
Its political/divisive/destructive and powder keg.
But thats my side of the fence. You obviously won't agree, so good luck in your quest.

Hmmm...bit more of a rant than an answer there Tricky.

Not really sure what you’re saying other than racism is a product of being ‘working class’ and less well/expensively educated, which seems very debatable.

I’m not sure what you’re sick of having ‘rammed down your throat’ either...though I’m fairly certain it doesn’t compare with the abuse that black footballers regularly suffer as a result of a) making a mistake and b) just being black.

I’m glad that you say you agree with my anti-racist message...I think that’s all the vast majority of non jeering football supporters want and I suspect that I’m not really being naive at all...indeed the most naive comment of the week award must go to you with your earlier assertion that ‘sport shouldn’t be used for political gain’.

[swaledale]

Hmmm...bit more of a rant than an answer there Tricky.

Not really sure what you’re saying other than racism is a product of being ‘working class’ and less well/expensively educated, which seems very debatable.

I’m not sure what you’re sick of having ‘rammed down your throat’ either...though I’m fairly certain it doesn’t compare with the abuse that black footballers regularly suffer as a result of a) making a mistake and b) just being black.

I’m glad that you say you agree with my anti-racist message...I think that’s all the vast majority of non jeering football supporters want and I suspect that I’m not really being naive at all...indeed the most naive comment of the week award must go to you with your earlier assertion that ‘sport shouldn’t be used for political gain’.

I'm afraid rA you should have done as I ahve and refrain from reading or interacting with this utter twa@t! I had thought nobody was going to react to his provocative and pointless thread but no some did.

I do love how people, mostly white, often male and quite often able bodied, get on their high horse and moan about having stuff "shoved down their throats"! Which is code for shut the **** up because having black/ coloured people, women, disabled people who have suffered systemic discrimination for many decades talk about it, makes me uncomfortable and anyway they have nothing to complain about!!

All this whataboutery concerning the BLM movement is just a sideshow - for a start England players have said quite clearly their gesture is not support of that movement but a way of drawing attention to the fact that despite the Neanderthal wailings of morons like Thicky, racism is still rampant.


Yes by all means point out issues with some of the people involved in an organisation, but don't use that as a way of saying, lets drop all this now its not needed. Talk to a few ethnic, gay, disabled people or women and only a complete bell end would deny that there still serious issues of prejudice and discrimination which do need talking about, do need highlighting and if it makes little ole white boyz uncomfortable well **** em!!