📝 New Manager [Luke Williams Appointed]

[Carlton_Pie]

This last week or so, since Fword's promotion, I've begun to think the real problem with Notts might not actually be the turnover of bad owners, but the supporters continuingly lowering their expectations. That has, after all, been the consistent factor since the club came out of admin in 2004, since which time there's been this mantra of "We wouldn't have a club if not for....", the idea that you should be grateful just for the club continuing to exist whenever it under achieves. That was never a thing for the first 20 years I was supporting Notts.

It'll partially be a by-product of a steadily increasing percentage of new support since 1959 that have chosen Notts because they are the underdog, fans who want to support a small club with no interest in competing with Fword or any of the other clubs we classed as rivals for the first 100 plus years of our existence. It's a losers mind-set that now seems to dominate the club and I find it all very sad.

Fans don't have a losers mindset at all but they are balanced enough to realise we nearly lost this Club more than once by chasing with money we didn't have and don't want to see a repeat. Fans don't dictate budgets or buy players, or kick the ball on the pitch, so to blame fans for anything is utterly ridiculous.

Would you rather we protest by not attending and watch the Club go under?

[upthemaggies]

Fans don't have a losers mindset at all but they are balanced enough to realise we nearly lost this Club more than once by chasing with money we didn't have and don't want to see a repeat. Fans don't dictate budgets or buy players, or kick the ball on the pitch, so to blame fans for anything is utterly ridiculous.

Would you rather we protest by not attending and watch the Club go under?

There's a time and place for protests. The full time appointment of Kiwomya was one of them but the supporters who knew that it was a terrible idea destined to end in disaster got shouted down by the nodding dogs. For that reason the Trews must have thought they could get away with something similar in Fullarton.

Hardy absolutely deserved to see a major protest but the fact that we were still in with a chance of staying up until the final day meant there was no opportunity for one without potentially effecting the performance of the players and losing a crucial 3 points.

Social media does play a big part, the current owners will be aware of the general mood. They might be able to resist the temptation to read any of it but somebody will be making them aware of it and they are basically being given a green light to carry on as they are, no pressure, take your time lads, we're so grateful you're not Alan Hardy etc.

Reminds me of something Malcolm McLaren once said on one of those utterly pointless TV shows doing a top 100 albums of all time, inevitably peppered with whatever happened to have been popular for 6 months around the time of the vote. Steps were voted fairly highly up and McLaren was asked for his reaction, he just shrugged and said "The public get what they deserve."
That probably applies to Notts.

[SwalePie]

From BBC North Yorkshire Sport...

"We can confirm that #ycfc manager John Askey has not been approached about the Notts County job. If he was, he would tell them he’s not interested.|"

[1955pie]

Fans don't have a losers mindset at all but they are balanced enough to realise we nearly lost this Club more than once by chasing with money we didn't have and don't want to see a repeat. Fans don't dictate budgets or buy players, or kick the ball on the pitch, so to blame fans for anything is utterly ridiculous.

Would you rather we protest by not attending and watch the Club go under?

The fans role is more than just turn up on the day and cheer. We should not just sit on the sidelines. The club may not belong to us but it is our club.. We will be here long after the brothers are gone and so have a right ( yes right ) to expect and demand signs of ambition. Lack of money or ambition can kill a club.

We should be targeting top spot because that is the only guaranteed way out of this league and I want to hear our owners say that. And see some progress towards it.

The alternative will be a long term drift to mediocrity and irrelevance, especially with Forest 4 tiers above us.

I seem to recall the club statement issued on the day of Burchnall's departure that they had always realised that it might happen some day. As such they must have had a plan and we really ought now to be seeing some sign of what it is. I know it is only 2 weeks but if we've not heard anything after 3 I will be getting really worried.

My view for what it is worth is that the new man must have a proven record of success. Anything less is hope rather than that ambition.

[Elite_Pie]

The alternative will be a long term drift to mediocrity and irrelevance, especially with Forest 4 tiers above us.

That's what I'm repeatedly hearing. Things along the lines of "Alan Hardy showed his little dick on social media, so how could we possibly expect our manager and players to do the business on the pitch?" It's becoming really boring from the happy clappers.

[Jampie]

That's what I'm repeatedly hearing. Things along the lines of "Alan Hardy showed his little dick on social media, so how could we possibly expect our manager and players to do the business on the pitch?" It's becoming really boring from the happy clappers.

Who said that? Seriously, over the top man.

[the_anticlough]

My view for what it is worth is that the new man must have a proven record of success. Anything less is hope rather than that ambition.

Worth a lot, cos it's surely correct.
The names circulating around recently make you the think the first one Kim Engström wasn't so bad!!! (only kidding, but some truth in there)

Burchnall has put the Reedtz brothers in an awkward spot. IB was allowed to preside over a 'long-term project', and long-term for him turned out to be a season and a bit. Thanks a bunch..

He was indulged as well...allowed to talk about performances improving, team gelling when in reality our season hit the rocks as soon as Wright put 10-men Torquay ahead in Game 2 and we couldn't respond. He was still focussing on performance and possession as we lost 10 and drew 10 others, culminating in that ridiculous loss at Aldershot.

Now, everyone at the club knows that a NL season needs to be treated seriously from the off, and every game counts or you will soon find yourself off the pace at the top. For that, we need a different type of appointment than IB, as we can't really afford to let another long-term project manager piss about from Aug-Oct. But the NL- ready manager might not necessarily fit the long-term strategy. So not an easy appointment. But surely you have to push the boat out as far as possible to get the best man available?
Like all of us, I hoping to be pleasantly surprised in the next week or so, whichever type or profile of manger we go for.