Rip off price of petrol and diesel

[islaydarkblue]

Additional weight, or potential additional weight, for the typical vehicle is a genuine risk that needs to be assessed so of course it should be raised. However that risk should be mitigated to ALARP to accommodate the vehicles which is what will happen and the risk of mezzanine deck collapse will be negligible.

Likewise with the very, very low potential for them to go on fire - it'll be mitigated to ALARP and the risk will be negligible.

Please explain if full what ALARP stands for.

[grantzer]

I already know that if you use the air conditioning in your car that it reduces the number of miles per gallon that you get.
The engine in my car has a facility in it which switches off the engine to save fuel whilst I am sitting at traffic lights or waiting in a queue of traffic and comes on as soon as I my foot touches the accelerator pedal.
Replacing a battery in a petrol or diesel car is somewhat cheaper than replacing one or more batteries in an electric powered car.

It Is, but you would have to factor in the fuel savings over 6 years( and its more likely to be 10 or 15 years).

For someone doing average miles,and charging at home,I would put that at somewhere around 2 grand a year

[Deeranged]

Please explain if full what ALARP stands for.

As Low As Reasonably Practicable.

Terminology used in risk assessment and arising from The Health And Safety At Work Act 1974 - you identify a potential risk, rate it then implement mitigations to reduce that risk to the level that is As Low As Reasonably Practicable to reduce the risk rating. It recognises the fact that an identified risk can never really be completely eliminated but can be reduced by taking appropriate Engineering, Procedural etc. actions.

[Deeranged]

I already know that if you use the air conditioning in your car that it reduces the number of miles per gallon that you get.
The engine in my car has a facility in it which switches off the engine to save fuel whilst I am sitting at traffic lights or waiting in a queue of traffic and comes on as soon as I my foot touches the accelerator pedal.
Replacing a battery in a petrol or diesel car is somewhat cheaper than replacing one or more batteries in an electric powered car.

A petrol / Diesel / LPG powered car isn't powered by its battery. An EV is.

[islaydarkblue]

They are in discussions.... so the discussions are, " are electric cars more likely to go on fire?"...."no".

They are not full of petrol,which I believe is a highly combustible material,although they are electric. That is the same technology that works mobile phones which are well known for not exploding in people's pockets.

The fire fighting systems are being repaired....not replaced, repaired....

And again,if the deck can handle land rovers,it can handle electric cars.

You need to stop adding 2+2 and getting 3589765409853......

And maybe accept that you may just be wrong......again

A petrol tank in a car is heavily protected and you can not see it unlike the large batteries in a electric powered vehicle.

[islaydarkblue]

A petrol / Diesel / LPG powered car isn't powered by its battery. An EV is.

And that is the problem with an EV.
Electric powered vehicles are fine for short journeys driving in towns and cities where there are plenty of charging points.
However they are no use if you want to drive a long journey without having to stop to charge up your electric powered car assuming that you can find a charging point en route.
Most people want to get from A to B as quickly as possible not to have to stop a couple of times during their journey to recharge your the batteries in their EV.
Where is the electricity going to come from to charge all these EVs after the sale of new petrol and diesel powered cars is banned in 2030.
It will not be from solar panels and wind turbines which do not work in periods of calm weather and during the hours of darkness.

[Deeranged]

And that is the problem with an EV.
Electric powered vehicles are fine for short journeys driving in towns and cities where there are plenty of charging points.
However they are no use if you want to drive a long journey without having to stop to charge up your electric powered car assuming that you can find a charging point en route.
Most people want to get from A to B as quickly as possible not to have to stop a couple of times during their journey to recharge your the batteries in their EV.
Where is the electricity going to come from to charge all these EVs after the sale of new petrol and diesel powered cars is banned in 2030.
It will not be from solar panels and wind turbines which do not work in periods of calm weather and during the hours of darkness.

There's no way the sale of petrol and diesel cars will be outlawed by 2030, the technology to overcome the issues you've highlighted won't exist and governments will need the duty raised from oil and gas production and petrol and diesel consumption for many decades yet.

Its a green pipe dream to ban the sale of fossil fuel burning cars.

[grantzer]

A petrol tank in a car is heavily protected and you can not see it unlike the large batteries in a electric powered vehicle.

The large battery on an EV can be isolated and turned off,petrol cannot .

[grantzer]

And that is the problem with an EV.
Electric powered vehicles are fine for short journeys driving in towns and cities where there are plenty of charging points.
However they are no use if you want to drive a long journey without having to stop to charge up your electric powered car assuming that you can find a charging point en route.
Most people want to get from A to B as quickly as possible not to have to stop a couple of times during their journey to recharge your the batteries in their EV.
Where is the electricity going to come from to charge all these EVs after the sale of new petrol and diesel powered cars is banned in 2030.
It will not be from solar panels and wind turbines which do not work in periods of calm weather and during the hours of darkness.

What do you think the range is on an EV these days?

I would guess most EVs are charged overnight,at home, and not every night, because they don't need it.

You know,when most people are in bed sleeping and not using electricity.......

As for getting around faster EVs are generally quicker than petrol cars, which makes it easier when they are hunting pedestrians in 'silent killer' mode..

[BCram]

There's no way the sale of petrol and diesel cars will be outlawed by 2030, the technology to overcome the issues you've highlighted won't exist and governments will need the duty raised from oil and gas production and petrol and diesel consumption for many decades yet.

Its a green pipe dream to ban the sale of fossil fuel burning cars.

Hi Deeranged. I have highlighted the bit that worries me the most. People think that voting Green is somehow a neutral vote. It isn't easily defined as either Hard Left or Hard Right so people tick the box because they have more than one vote at Scottish Elections and since they can't vote for an obviously different political philosophy they just vote Green.

I accept that there are bits of what the Greens are trying to do that make sense, but the timescales and the costs of what they want to do seem to me to be hopelessly impractical. Having said that the pressure that they have exerted has forced th motor trade to change course.

Had an interesting talk at Rotary this week. journalist drove from Dundee to The Alps in a Tesla 3 4WD for a 2 week extended holiday and road test. 300 mile range but because it was a Tesla with the very high charging power the usual stop to top up took about 30 minutes. you can't use the car's top speed because of the speed limits and the general volume of traffic so about 240 miles , 4hours of driving was easily long enough before you wanted to get out and stretch your legs and stuff.

Tesal technology knew where the high speed Tesla power points were, if they were available etc and once you got accustomed to the discipline of plannoing exactly where you were going to refuel there seemed very little problem with driving an electric car. Irt was a skiing holiday so lights, heater and stuff was in use. It did restrict the range from about 300 miles to about 240miles.

Trouble was car cost £60k plus. Nissan Leaf with a charging speed of 1/3rd of the Tesla cost about £30k. The charging speed makes an enormous difference, half an hour compared with an hour and a half per stop.

What puzzles me is why the Greens think it is great to be Green and drive an electric car just now when there is a major carrot for doing so iehow cheap it is to run compared with an ICE car. Even they must know that "free or very low cost electricity" is absolutely not going to continue and it seems to me that we IN BRITAIN are being forced to adopt an energy policy that will make everything very expensive and drive industry and jobs out of of country and make everyone so poor. Shared misery isn't a prospect that should get any votes at all, imo.