Quote Originally Posted by baggiematt View Post
Surely furlough was the largest investment in business in UK history? Bailing out banks? The 2009 fiscal boost, along with austerity. They have invested heavily in business. The fact that we now have 1.3m vacancies demonstrates investment in business.

Brexit will have hindered progress but the people wanted Brexit...and what is a government if it doesn't serve it's people? You didn't want it but the majority of the country did.

No doubt people voted for it because of immigration. But immigration hasn't been managed well for years with different cultures poorly integrated leading to people wanting a Canadian or Australian style immigration system, which they are unable to attain with European freedom of movement; which our country has had no say on being part of the EU. If that's what the majority of the country want, why can't the country have it?

Would it have happened under Labour? Maybe, or maybe not...It really depends on if they took the bait on offering a referendum to settle the matter, but if not we might have had Farage as PM given how staunch people wanted a better immigration system and out of Europe. There are more things in life than temporary hindrance in economic growth. The Swiss have the most economic freedom in Europe, something to bear in mind.
Eh?

In 2009, Labour were in power. Labour led the financial crisis recovery mostly when the banks went under. How does the fact we have 1.3m vacancies demonstrate investment in business? That is a really bizarre statement. We have lost a lot of European workers thanks to Brexit which has contributed to the vacancies and fruit rotting in fields and not enough workers in the care and logistics sectors.

People wanted Brexit you say...but did a majority of people want this Brexit? Most people who voted Leave didn't have a clue what they were voting for. Some wanted to stay in the Single Market, some didn't want a deal. We got Boris Johnsons 'Oven Ready' deal which is not quite as oven ready as he made out, as the Northern Ireland protocol is a mess with no obvious signs of a solution.

This is not a temporary hindrance in economic growth. This is self harm to our economy we are committing, over a long period of time. Many businesses will not recover, many have already gone under or moved HQs to Europe. But at least we've kept some Europeans out from picking fruit in our fields or handling our luggage in our airports. That's the real win.

So yes this Government is indefensibly terrible, Brexit is God awful. But the majority of this dim electorate obviously want it, so here we are.