The Rail Strike, Labour & Starmer.

[WBA123]

Very well said 923.

Last year 123 told us he was still in his 30’s and this actually tells us a lot.

I couldn’t possibly offer an opinion of 30’s, 40’s, 50’s and most of 60’s Britain because I either wasn’t here or I was too young to know.

So you have no opinion on Britain's response to Hitler during the 2nd World War then, as you weren't here. Gotcha

Its a little bit ageist. I actually agree with many of your points, that the Unions needed to be dealt with when Thatcher came in. But I think Omegstrat has nailed it by stating that her actions were callous and lacking empathy.

I'm not actually on either side between Unions and Govt, the Unions were too powerful in the 70s - but equally we have a lot of workers rights now introduced because of them.

The key to every dispute is about what is reasonable. The Govt have been unreasonable with many public sector pay and conditions since they have been in power since 2010, in my opinion.

Are the RMT are being unreasonable now? I'm still on the fence about it, because one of their arguments is that these cuts will make the railway more unsafe, they also have a lot of members who are not train drivers earning 60k per year. But I think the Govts response has been quite apathetic to these strikes, almost seeking to drive division.

[Albionic68]

......I'm not actually on either side between Unions and Govt.....I'm still on the fence about it.....

Good morning Kier, it's nice to have you aboard. I hope the reinforced underpants are of some use with the picket fence. Stay safe and pray they don't chafe 😊 .

[mickd1961]

So you have no opinion on Britain's response to Hitler during the 2nd World War then, as you weren't here. Gotcha

Its a little bit ageist. I actually agree with many of your points, that the Unions needed to be dealt with when Thatcher came in. But I think Omegstrat has nailed it by stating that her actions were callous and lacking empathy.

I'm not actually on either side between Unions and Govt, the Unions were too powerful in the 70s - but equally we have a lot of workers rights now introduced because of them.

The key to every dispute is about what is reasonable. The Govt have been unreasonable with many public sector pay and conditions since they have been in power since 2010, in my opinion.

Are the RMT are being unreasonable now? I'm still on the fence about it, because one of their arguments is that these cuts will make the railway more unsafe, they also have a lot of members who are not train drivers earning 60k per year. But I think the Govts response has been quite apathetic to these strikes, almost seeking to drive division.

You miss the point yet again.

There’s a massive difference between “having an opinion” and actually knowing the reality.

I didn’t have to live through the terror of a World War in the way my parents did.

My point regarding Labour is this........unless you’ve lived yourself through something you can’t get a proper feel for it.

Younger people especially, seem to have the feeling that everyone gets looked after under a Left Wing Socialist regime, I can assure you they don’t.

The deprivation during the 70’s was way beyond anything you see these days.

I came from a lower middle class background but I went to a school in a very poor area.

I doubt you see the number of dirty kids in shabby worn out clothes and with worn out shoes with holes in the soles that we had at our school.

Not only were people poor but there was also the problem of people really not seeming to give a s h I t, there was very little safety net for these families or child support services.

Like I said earlier, whatever your “opinion” of the Tory government, what we are seeing at the moment is not even a 2/10 compared to the 70’s.

When you’re living by candlelight from 4pm on a winters afternoon and queuing for two hours a day to get a loaf of bread (and that’s a maybe and not a definite) then we’ll start to compare this government with an Ultra Leftist regime like we had during the 70’s.

[Omegstrat6]

Certainly there are great differences between how people live now and the far poorer conditions of the past but the expectation levels of many of today's generation can sometimes be exasperating. As I posted previously, for my parents and grandparents generations-and millions like them-having no hot running water or even electric upstairs, no carpets, no central heating, no freezer, no automatic wash machine, an outside privvy, no money for holidays or new clothes and cardboard to cover holes in their shoes was the norm. Now people talk about being poor because they struggle to pay for their Sky TV package and mobile phone and can only afford one takeaway a week and one holiday a year. Doesn't make it right and I'm not denying people are worse off and struggling but some perspective would be nice!

[Omegstrat6]

Before I'm jumped on for the above, I am aware that there are still far too many in this country living in poor conditions and genuinely struggling who do work hard and prioritise their finances as best they can but my comments refer to the many others who aren't in such dire situations.

[kettering_baggie]

So Starmer thinks that the Tories have run out of ideas! Well, we have yet to hear idea number one from Mr Starmer.

[mickd1961]

So Starmer thinks that the Tories have run out of ideas! Well, we have yet to hear idea number one from Mr Starmer.

I’ve been at a company where my Sales Director has been a bland, insipid nothing like Starmer.

Devoid of charisma and real ideas and completely uninspiring.

The result, me and the rest of the sales force used to get together behind our “leaders” back and do things our way!

Starmer is a man so uncomfortable, so “forced” and plastic that it’s toe curing watching him trying to lead.

I have to turn off after 20 seconds of him starting a supposed rant.

Nasal c u n t!

[boingy]

If Starmer ever gets to be Prime minister he will be speechless. Anything he says is picking fault, looking for trouble, having a stab having a pop. Can’t imagine him having a go at the Government if he is the Government.

[9goals2hattricks3pen]

If Starmer ever gets to be Prime minister he will be speechless. Anything he says is picking fault, looking for trouble, having a stab having a pop. Can’t imagine him having a go at the Government if he is the Government.

His biggest enemies are not in the Tories but sat behind him. If ever he does become PM it is they that could replace him within the Labour Party system. Now that really is scarey.

[baggieal]

That's called sensible politics. Your hero and guru BJ is better at it than anyone - have you not noticed?

When an MP at PMQs asked Boris Johnson if he'd ever offered his now wife a £100k per year job in the foreign office, do you think he gave a 'clear position'? In fact does he ever give a straight answer to anything?

In any case, we are getting away from the real issue here - if Starmer had picked a side, would it have made any difference to these strikes? The answer is quite obviously no. But yet this is the angle that the RW press and you and your cohorts prefer to go down. So when it won't make a difference to the current situation, why is it such a big issue for you - unless it has been created to be a big issue for you by your favourite media outlets.

"Ah strikes on the railway, I blame that Keir Starmer chap for not giving his position on it. Not the Govt who have an 80 seat majority and have been in power for 12 years"

By the way, Brexit still going swimmingly well in your eyes then I see...is that patch of sand that your head is wedged into thinning at all?

What would be wrong with offering his now wife a job as she’s a talented and educated woman.

Some could say Alex Bruce should not be on the pay role at West Brom as clearly he only got the contract because of his dad!

Good to see Johnson in Rwanda and will be even better to see the illegals there to be processed. No doubt if their desire is that strong to come to the U.K. and give something to our society then they will have no issues with processing in Rwanda. But will they!