Sean's next job.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

Nothing to do with trusting them, he didn't play them because he didn't think they were good enough, nor did he think they would become good enough. But you think he was mistaken, he should have given them the opportunity to prove themselves. So I ask again, please provide me with the list of players Sean wouldn't trust, or didn't think were good enough, and have gone on to prove him wrong by succeeding elsewhere.

As ever mon ami, I will do all I can to help out a mate, and I will start the list for you, Tom Anderson, who is the mainstay of Doncaster Rovers rock solid defence. Carry on from there, list them all please, there will be many of course won't there, Sean was here for 10 years, the number he wouldn't give a chance to must be in the hundreds, don't hold back, I may have forgotten a few.

In your own time of course, this will be a long list and it will be a long summer, no particular hurry.

You are missing the point entirely mon ami. The criteria is that some of the kids have to hit the first team to keep hold of the Academy status irrespective of whether they are deemed good enough by the first team coach.

Pep gets this, SD didn't, and that's why we lost our Academy status.

Me and thee have been having this debate for years now and quite frankly with the lack of real "talent" breaking through, I'd close the whole expensive charade down.

It looks to me to be more and more like a vanity project we neither need nor can afford. I don't think ALK share that opinion.

[sinkov]

You are missing the point entirely mon ami. The criteria is that some of the kids have to hit the first team to keep hold of the Academy status irrespective of whether they are deemed good enough by the first team coach.

Pep gets this, SD didn't, and that's why we lost our Academy status.

Me and thee have been having this debate for years now and quite frankly with the lack of real "talent" breaking through, I'd close the whole expensive charade down.

It looks to me to be more and more like a vanity project we neither need nor can afford. I don't think ALK share that opinion.

What is your point ? You're saying we lost Academy status because Dyche wouldn't play players who quite clearly were not good enough. Of course he wouldn't, was he supposed to risk losing games by playing players who weren't good enough, just to ensure the survival of an academy that wasn't producing good enough players anyway ? You're talking nonsense mon ami.

Anyway, where's the list ?

[The Bedlington Terrier]

What is your point ? You're saying we lost Academy status because Dyche wouldn't play players who quite clearly were not good enough. Of course he wouldn't, was he supposed to risk losing games by playing players who weren't good enough, just to ensure the survival of an academy that wasn't producing good enough players anyway ? You're talking nonsense mon ami.

Anyway, where's the list ?

He played out of form players, he played Dale Stephens and kept faith in Jeff Hendrick, surely he could have risked the likes of Glennon and Richardson for the occasional 20 minutes mon ami?

Will you at least agree the Academy is a waste of time?

We should do what Vinny has just done, and grab a couple of the "Big Sixes" cast-offs every window and save ourselves a bloody fortune.

[sinkov]

Will you at least agree the Academy is a waste of time?

We should do what Vinny has just done, and grab a couple of the "Big Sixes" cast-offs every window and save ourselves a bloody fortune.

We both know it's a waste of time, I said years ago that we should stop throwing money at it and concentrate on picking up rejects like Mee, Trippier and McNell. I was posting on another forum at the time, maybe 7/8 years ago, and someone 'in the know' said it didn't cost us much to run, it was funded mainly by grants from various outside bodies. Whether that is still the case, or we cop for the full expense now, I wouldn't know.

[barrie_burn]

I have to disagree.Transfer fees and salaries are going through the roof.Persist with an Academy with a really good reputation and a high profile Manager and I think in the medium/long term it will pay off.It might be a gamble but I think it is one we should continue with.I think Sean could see it was worthwhile even if he was rather reluctant to give some of them a chance in the first team,McNeil obviously the exception.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

I have to disagree.Transfer fees and salaries are going through the roof.Persist with an Academy with a really good reputation and a high profile Manager and I think in the medium/long term it will pay off.It might be a gamble but I think it is one we should continue with.I think Sean could see it was worthwhile even if he was rather reluctant to give some of them a chance in the first team,McNeil obviously the exception.

Dyche wanted to continue playing with "seasoned professionals" like Dale Stephens and Jeff Hendrick.

I rest my case your Honour.