The Wokeness Thread

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Garbage. Where has Tommy Robinson got his own way?
Where has Farage or Patel?

Have they attacked an organisation into submission?
JK Rowling is a classic example. She explained a woman using common sense. Has been hounded by social media and the far left press into the corner.
Even the people from her book series, who she made millionaires, have ostracised her.

Exactly whose moral compass is correct here? Commin sense it seems, has broad horizons.

I didn’t say they had...although Farage did over the EU and Patel did over Rwanda...what I said was that they were amongst the loudest mouths and the biggest bullies, the implication being that you are very selective with regard to your criticism of ‘loud mouthed bullies’.

P.S. Sorry I know nothing about the JK Rowling row and am not equipped to comment.

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Anyway, I still want to see Swale pole vaulting against a group of wombats whilst ****ting cubic poos

I'd still like to se you actually stop being a dickhead, but guess thats not going to happen soon!

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I'm afraid that your concept of common sense (and indeed mine) has nothing to do with this issue rA. It's about making statements, proving how much purer my thoughts are etc. How more aware of the problem of trans athletes I am.... Ah yes, how woke I am.

It's a side effect of wokeness, you might say. Of course provision needs to be made for MTF and FTM athletes in the same way as there is for special needs / differently abled athletes. (Before anyone jumps all over that I'm not suggesting cross gender issues are a disability).

But in the same way that you would not have expected a Class B1 athlete to compete against Usain Bolt, fairness cannot allow a birth male who has recently self identified as female to compete against a field of birth females.

It would be as fair as self identified wombat Swale taking on a field of natural wombats in a pole vault championship

No its bloody not about how woke anyone is - its about a group of people being rather strident and extremist about their views - whether that be abortionists, gun freaks or the fundamentalist Christians in the States or trans activists or climate change activists here.

They aren't doing it to be seen as woke - yes there are those hangers on, celebrities, media people who tag alongside a cause to be seen to be hip, cool or woke, but thats not woke ideology its ****ing people wanting attention or to be seen to be in with the latest alternative thoughts!

This is where the media and the right wing with its pointless culture wars, actually causes issue, because dumb people follow what they say and are equally proud to be seen as "anti woke".

When what is actually needed is an adult conversation and a recognition that times and conventions change and that change dto be managed in the interests of everyone.

I mean take gay rights, it was only 60 years ago this country shamefully mistreated and criminalised Alan Turing, whose contribution to the war effort was immense! I still remember the 70's when Thatcher was pointlessly trying to stop anybody below the age of 21 finding out there maybe people with different ***ual preferences to others. All the while her ministers were up to all sorts of stuff.

So lets not fall in to the trap of calling anything that is enlightened or any change in culture, behaviour as "woke".

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I didn’t say they had...although Farage did over the EU and Patel did over Rwanda...what I said was that they were amongst the loudest mouths and the biggest bullies, the implication being that you are very selective with regard to your criticism of ‘loud mouthed bullies’.

P.S. Sorry I know nothing about the JK Rowling row and am not equipped to comment.

Who has Farage bullied?
Exactly who has Patel bullied?

Was it through their jobs, or in the press, piling public pressure of folks? That's the bit I'm talking about. Ridiculing folks in public, trying to shush them into submission.
Bullying comes in many forms.
But it is also termed as a defence by someone who doesn't like being told what to do.

JKR- Then I suggest you do so.
You aren't really in a position to talk about the issue of woke, until you understand all the parameters being used by it.
Her treatment is outrageous.

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Oh yes it did rA, you know you provoked me! My comment was not woke, some might say the opposite. So let us all hold our hands up, deny original authorship and blame it on, umm DCFCA - the universal scapegoat!

PS how long before we need a minister for drought amongst this heatwave?

rA only provoked you by typing CD!! Nobody accused your post of being woke - it was as a result of a comment I made that AF waded in with his size 10's and accuse my post of being woke!! When actually all i did was add a qualification to your quip!

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Swale is quite right with this, but it does apply to the left as well as the right.

They aren't doing it to be seen as woke - yes there are those hangers on, celebrities, media people who tag alongside a cause to be seen to be hip, cool or woke, but thats not woke ideology its ****ing people wanting attention or to be seen to be in with the latest alternative thoughts!

This is where the media and the right wing with its pointless culture wars, actually causes issue, because dumb people follow what they say and are equally proud to be seen as "anti woke".

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Who has Farage bullied?
Exactly who has Patel bullied?

Was it through their jobs, or in the press, piling public pressure of folks? That's the bit I'm talking about. Ridiculing folks in public, trying to shush them into submission.
Bullying comes in many forms.
But it is also termed as a defence by someone who doesn't like being told what to do.

JKR- Then I suggest you do so.
You aren't really in a position to talk about the issue of woke, until you understand all the parameters being used by it.
Her treatment is outrageous.

Farage apparently had a reputation as a schoolboy bully and his political ‘style’ may most accurately be described as ‘hectoring’ which is pretty much the definition of the ‘loud mouthed bullying’ you claim to object to.

I believe the Home Office had to spend £370,000 on settling claims against Patel bullying civil servants.

I don’t believe I have to be fully aware of the JK Rowling situation to have an opinion on ‘woke’. I’m offering an opinion not claiming expertise and I doubt even you ‘understand all the parameters’.

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Swale is quite right with this, but it does apply to the left as well as the right.

They aren't doing it to be seen as woke - yes there are those hangers on, celebrities, media people who tag alongside a cause to be seen to be hip, cool or woke, but thats not woke ideology its ****ing people wanting attention or to be seen to be in with the latest alternative thoughts!

This is where the media and the right wing with its pointless culture wars, actually causes issue, because dumb people follow what they say and are equally proud to be seen as "anti woke".

Just opened this to see and well blow me down, I've gone back and read your other comments on this and TTR, I can't disagree with most of what you have said.

I would say Rowling seems to be quite fine with the issue though, but I guess if your a multi millionaire, the posing thoughts of a few people who you would think are grateful to you for having a career isn't something that bothers you. I mean its not right she has been attacked for expressing her views - as far as I can see in a reasonable manner.
But then maybe thats where we have got to, lies, misinformation irrational view points and a lack of common ground between people - one can support opposing football teams and have common ground why not on other issues.

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Farage apparently had a reputation as a schoolboy bully and his political ‘style’ may most accurately be described as ‘hectoring’ which is pretty much the definition of the ‘loud mouthed bullying’ you claim to object to.

I believe the Home Office had to spend £370,000 on settling claims against Patel bullying civil servants.

I don’t believe I have to be fully aware of the JK Rowling situation to have an opinion on ‘woke’. I’m offering an opinion not claiming expertise and I doubt even you ‘understand all the parameters’.

I know you was RA. but you are confusing the topic with the your personal dislike of individuals and their way of doing things.
It has nothing to do with being woke, regarding your examples.

I really think you should read up on JKR though. Maybe you will understand the type of bullying/ insults/ agenda manipulations behind the use of it.

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I know you was RA. but you are confusing the topic with the your personal dislike of individuals and their way of doing things.
It has nothing to do with being woke, regarding your examples.

I really think you should read up on JKR though. Maybe you will understand the type of bullying/ insults/ agenda manipulations behind the use of it.

Indeed, though that Emma Watson has done **** all since Harry Potter and no doubt her protest is down to wanting attention, look at me I'm a one trick pony who hasn't done anything since those films!!

Then there are the publishers, but she has shrugged that off and got published elsewhere, there are equal numbers of people supporting her and shebasically seems not to give a flying **** about the bozos trying to silence her, which is good. Also that lawyer won her employment tribunal the other day so the tide is turning, the era of free speech is not dead yet.