I remembered it was a dated term, but couldn't remember the new terminology to use. Greater needs = SSN? Sky Sports News! Corss thread away to your hearts content, just don't make me listen to either of those two debating their futures before the masses. Why do we need to listen, we cant vote - take it off mainstream TV, it has no place. PS nobody makes me watch the 100, I didnt last year and wont this year, despite my immense desire to dance on Tick Tock