OT. The futures Bright, the Futures Brexit!!!

[MadAmster]

Good line up for a rock gig...

[Andy_Faber]

‘Persiflage’!! Good word and a first on here I imagine. Had to look it up.

Wasn’t Andy’s ‘moment’ with the delectable Sonya at the Buxton Festival in the early seventies? Given that he recently turned 60 wouldn’t he have been about 11 or 12 back then? If it relieves your angst GP...maybe it was ‘motherly’.

No rA it wasn't Buxton, I was too young for that, my uncle Pete went to some of the Buxton festivals, he says it took him years to defrost from the last one he went to so that was prob the one you went to, although by legend they were all pretty dire weatherwise. They crop up regularly on fb when dire festival experiences ar discussed, there's still a diehard group of music fans out there ready to reminisc about those days

My Curved Air 'meet and greet' was at the Kings Hall, 21/01/76, I was 'on the guest list' as the (lol, I was 16) 'minder' of my mum's hairdresser who's recent ex, Tony Reeves, played bass with the band at the time. We were invited backstage and despite the Sonja incident the highlight for me was being taught how to grip a drum stick properly by Stewart Copeland. Less appealling was hanging around outside while the crimper and the bassist had a pretty full-on farewell grope.
'We' saw them a few times on that tour and the autumn tour too (when they returned to Derby), and they were a pretty friendly bunch, especially SC

[Geoff Parkstone]

So it was somehow appropriate that Sonja came to fame in the cast of Hair

[Andy_Faber]

Lol...I guess this is really Swale’s argument but seeing as we’re, according to you, ‘two peas in a pod’ I’ll chuck in my two penny worth.

You, and only you raised, and continue to raise, the issue of ethnic minorities in the media.

Incorrect, trawl back through the posts. Since 12/8/21 when I last made a comment other than to provide evidence to Swale, the only person who's brought the subject up is Swale, who does so as a tactic that I've seen many times before by him and others away from this forum. Please be even handed in this once you've checked and have your own mind, its not just me who sees you as swales' butler

Drawing attention to the way in which current right wing leaders seek to emulate Hitler is a valid point which, for some reason, you get ever so stroppy about.

Drawing attention is fine, throwing down the 'Hitler Card' is not. Its a shock tactic of Swales', just like swearing, insulting people etc

The examples of strategies that such governments employ is another valid point that you repeatedly avoid commenting on.

Give me an example, not sure what you mean, seriously. I don't comment on everything here

Why oh why would anyone be remotely ‘jealous’ of your ‘odd’ connections? That’s just weird.

No idea why he'sjealous, but also not sure why they are odd, other than in the fact I try add a bit of context to some of my posts by referencing those I've come across in a long and varied life. Please tell me which one of these is 'odd'. I'll have as lengthy a debate as you wish on each. I have a Scottish partner, that's often relevant in football and non-football matters. I was schooled in a mixed race school and live in a mixed race environment. I've employed and worked directly with, in a Chinese-run Company, a Uyghur. I have close friends who's son is (was, he's just taken a job role that's not so clear) an assistant private secretary to two ministers you've slated over the years (actually, thinking about it, one you haven't, Alok Sharma) and who I see regularly, in fact I was helping him fit out a camper van on Sunday. I repeat, tell me what's odd about that. I don't know any head teachers, governors etc but wouldn't think it 'odd' if you brought them into the conversation for context or anecdote

[Andy_Faber]

So it was somehow appropriate that Sonja came to fame in the cast of Hair

Never got that far and given the current ping pong with The Swales, note that I never said 'shag', country bumpkin that I was at 16 I possibly didn't know the word

[Geoff Parkstone]

my reference was to you beig the minder for your mums hairdresser........

[Andy_Faber]

my reference was to you beig the minder for your mums hairdresser........

Oops, think we'd better get back to the serious business of Brexit...

[swaledale]

Incorrect, trawl back through the posts. Since 12/8/21 when I last made a comment other than to provide evidence to Swale, the only person who's brought the subject up is Swale, who does so as a tactic that I've seen many times before by him and others away from this forum. Please be even handed in this once you've checked and have your own mind, its not just me who sees you as swales' butler


Drawing attention is fine, throwing down the 'Hitler Card' is not. Its a shock tactic of Swales', just like swearing, insulting people etc

Give me an example, not sure what you mean, seriously. I don't comment on everything here



No idea why he'sjealous, but also not sure why they are odd, other than in the fact I try add a bit of context to some of my posts by referencing those I've come across in a long and varied life. Please tell me which one of these is 'odd'. I'll have as lengthy a debate as you wish on each. I have a Scottish partner, that's often relevant in football and non-football matters. I was schooled in a mixed race school and live in a mixed race environment. I've employed and worked directly with, in a Chinese-run Company, a Uyghur. I have close friends who's son is (was, he's just taken a job role that's not so clear) an assistant private secretary to two ministers you've slated over the years (actually, thinking about it, one you haven't, Alok Sharma) and who I see regularly, in fact I was helping him fit out a camper van on Sunday. I repeat, tell me what's odd about that. I don't know any head teachers, governors etc but wouldn't think it 'odd' if you brought them into the conversation for context or anecdote

Oh pleeze!! You really are the king of the bull ****ters, a closet xenophobe and a poor desperate lying toe rag trying to look cool. One would have to be both extremely naïve and lacking in judgement to believe what you post, what a sad lad you are!

As i keep telling you stop digging when you in a hole, your just making yourself look a bigger liar and even more stupid!!

You must be a little forgetful as well, (perhaps early onset dementia?) not for the first time, its very easy to catch you out being inconsistent and denying making a comment in a post, when in point of fact rA actually detailed to you a few posts back just what you had actually posted and in which posts and now your denying it.

As for "throwing down the Hitler card", actually I explained in quite some detail what I meant and provided examples to back that up - rA seemed to understand it, you on the other hand, keep saying this its a "shock tactic" and don't engage with the evidence in anyway, but then thats a familiar tactic. tell me why are you so concerned about the proportion of people in the media from an ethnic minority background? I haven't had an answer yet, wonder why that is? because it will show you in a less than favourable light?

Damn I must write and tell those other academics, political commentators and (reputable) journalists that the great Mr Faber is of the opinion the Hitler parallell is the last refuge of those with no argument. Oh no wait a minute, the response would be who???

Oh dear, as I keep telling you, probably better to keep quiet, then you won't look quite so foolish!

[ramAnag]

Incorrect, trawl back through the posts. Since 12/8/21 when I last made a comment other than to provide evidence to Swale, the only person who's brought the subject up is Swale, who does so as a tactic that I've seen many times before by him and others away from this forum. Please be even handed in this once you've checked and have your own mind, its not just me who sees you as swales' butler

Drawing attention is fine, throwing down the 'Hitler Card' is not. Its a shock tactic of Swales', just like swearing, insulting people etc


Give me an example, not sure what you mean, seriously. I don't comment on everything here


No idea why he'sjealous, but also not sure why they are odd, other than in the fact I try add a bit of context to some of my posts by referencing those I've come across in a long and varied life. Please tell me which one of these is 'odd'. I'll have as lengthy a debate as you wish on each. I have a Scottish partner, that's often relevant in football and non-football matters. I was schooled in a mixed race school and live in a mixed race environment. I've employed and worked directly with, in a Chinese-run Company, a Uyghur. I have close friends who's son is (was, he's just taken a job role that's not so clear) an assistant private secretary to two ministers you've slated over the years (actually, thinking about it, one you haven't, Alok Sharma) and who I see regularly, in fact I was helping him fit out a camper van on Sunday. I repeat, tell me what's odd about that. I don't know any head teachers, governors etc but wouldn't think it 'odd' if you brought them into the conversation for context or anecdote

You brought the subject up initially...no one else. Sure Swale has referenced back to it but you brought it up in the first place.

Says who? It’s nothing like swearing or insulting people. It’s a valid comparison.

Swale has provided lots of examples comparing current right wing strategy with that of 80-90 years ago. Attitudes to the freedom to protest, trade unions and immigrants to name but three They’re all horribly valid comparisons but you notably never comment on them.

Calm down. I doubt very much that he is ‘jealous’. You used the word ‘odd’ in your post...I was just running with it.

‘Swales’ butler’ lol. You’re right...not just you...TTR and GP too. It’s funny...I invariably agree with MA and mac too but no one ever makes the same accusation. You regularly agree with GP...are you his butler/rear gunner too?

[Geoff Parkstone]

So, anyway, let's make this into a Sonja thread, we can all agree then instead of bitchfighting