OT - the current crisis

[ramAnag]

But that is exactly what it is, " a cult",

I’m sorry...we’ve disagreed about many things over the years Tricky...Brexit, Black Lives Matter, Johnson, Farage etc, but this latest comment is complete idiocy.
Personally I’m nowhere near as ‘Green’ as I should be...I like my cars too much, my house is kept warm by oil (and wood), I fly too much and I don’t always take as much care in certain ways as I should.
I’m no expert, and I’ll even accept that, in the short term, I can see a scenario where more use of fossil fuels may, very sadly, become temporarily necessary. However for you to dismiss those warning of climate change and the need for greener energy sources as a ‘cult’ defies all rational explanation and is sheer stupidity.

[Trickytreesreds]

I’m sorry...we’ve disagreed about many things over the years Tricky...Brexit, Black Lives Matter, Johnson, Farage etc, but this latest comment is complete idiocy.
Personally I’m nowhere near as ‘Green’ as I should be...I like my cars too much, my house is kept warm by oil (and wood), I fly too much and I don’t always take as much care in certain ways as I should.
I’m no expert, and I’ll even accept that, in the short term, I can see a scenario where more use of fossil fuels may, very sadly, become temporarily necessary. However for you to dismiss those warning of climate change and the need for greener energy sources as a ‘cult’ defies all rational explanation and is sheer stupidity.

We will disagree.
Lets take Swales description of WOKE.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with being woke.
But it is hijacked by the zealots in that melee as well.
So the actual meaning gets lost.

The Green zealots have their "cult" where they are determined to turn the UK into the stone age.
These same people scream at the government for the prices of energy, yet don't want it used in balance with what people can afford.
They have a very nice habit, of protesting and screaming at western governments who actually are trying.
Never a scream at Chine/Russia/India/USA.

So no, cult sounds perfectly descriptive to me.

[ramAnag]

The Green zealots have their "cult" where they are determined to turn the UK into the stone age.
These same people scream at the government for the prices of energy, yet don't want it used in balance with what people can afford.
They have a very nice habit, of protesting and screaming at western governments who actually are trying.
Never a scream at Chine/Russia/India/USA.

So no, cult sounds perfectly descriptive to me.

You keep saying it, Tricky. Won’t make it sound any less foolish...and perhaps people in the UK and Europe try and influence policy in those areas because they have a little more chance than in the likes of ‘China, Russia, India and the USA’ where they have no influence whatsoever.

You think concern for Green issues and the environment is nothing more than a ‘cult’ led by ‘zealots’? Sorry, I have nothing left to say.

[Trickytreesreds]

You keep saying it, Tricky. Won’t make it sound any less foolish...and perhaps people in the UK and Europe try and influence policy in those areas because they have a little more chance than in the likes of ‘China, Russia, India and the USA’ where they have no influence whatsoever.

You think concern for Green issues and the environment is nothing more than a ‘cult’ led by ‘zealots’? Sorry, I have nothing left to say.

Well I'm glad your happy, that Granny Bloggs in her pokey flat, is safe in the knowledge that tiddles/a hot water bottle but no gas, makes her suffering all the more worth it.
Good on yer.

[ramAnag]

Well I'm glad your happy, that Granny Bloggs in her pokey flat, is safe in the knowledge that tiddles/a hot water bottle but no gas, makes her suffering all the more worth it.
Good on yer.

I’m not sure how you can conclude that that’s what I’ve said or implied. Which bit of ‘I can see a scenario where more use of fossil fuels may, very sadly, become temporarily necessary’ didn’t you read or understand?

[Andy_Faber]

You keep saying it, Tricky. Won’t make it sound any less foolish...and perhaps people in the UK and Europe try and influence policy in those areas because they have a little more chance than in the likes of ‘China, Russia, India and the USA’ where they have no influence whatsoever.

You think concern for Green issues and the environment is nothing more than a ‘cult’ led by ‘zealots’? Sorry, I have nothing left to say.

Easy tigers. As with Covid, for the most part I'd say 'listen to the scientists', but unfortunately trustworthy people are less easy to identify in the arena of climate change than Covid - on the credit side, and lets hope he lasts til at least 200, David Attenborough, on the debit side Greta Thunberg, I have yet to discuss climate change with anyone who finds her message appealling.

BUT its not, IMO, a 'cult', the warming of the planet is a fact, the linking of that to the use of fossil fuels is less certain but there is a weight of evidence.

BUT BUT, gotta say there ARE a lot of zealots around, a lot of scaremongering and a lot of fake news/correlations. Fantastic story on TV last week thatcovered all those bases, a 'popular sunday night programme' offered the destruction by fire of a combine harvester as directly climate change related. Like the 'Poles being killed by racists' bo-locks post Brexit, further digging determined that this was rubbish - the fire was caused by a fuel leak, and in any case CHs are tested to operating conditions of well over 40 degrees anyway, both of which facts the presenter/producer/programme should have and probably did know, but it didn't suit the narrative. As with other sensitive subjects discussed from time to time on this forum, the more stories like the above abound, either far fetched, patently untrue or without provenance, the more those in the middle ground will adopt AN 'anti-' approach IMO.