Can’t See Truss Staying Long

[baggieal]

Jeremy C unt has reversed almost of everything in the mini budget including energy support to last only until April 23.

Can’t see Truss lasting and Boris could make a come back! If the Tory Party had any decency they would call a general election but they won’t as CV they would get hammered!

Bet C unts chum Sunak is thinking of ways he can take Truss’s job!!!

Corruption to the highest!

[mickd1961]

I’ve got no problem with Hunt, he always comes over to me a reasoned and thoughtful MP and minister.

The biggest surprise to me is the fact Truss seems to think she can cling onto her position.

This whole mess comes down to two things for me,

1/ Boris employing Cummings once elected and not employing a serious and sensible private secretary.

2/ Boris telling silly fibs and half truths over the Covid party issue instead of holding his hands up and saying sorry.

If he’d taken the right choice with point number 1 then point number 2 wouldn’t have happened.

Much as I’ve always liked Boris as an individual I think it’s fair to say that not only did he deliver the biggest majority in a generation but he’s also responsible for the total collapse of the Tory Party.

That’s pretty much his life blueprint, in his private life and his career he creates something with his sheer force of character and then destroys that thing with hubris and childlike behaviour.

Truss has to go though, I heard her described last night as a PINO.....Prime minister In Name Only.

[BaggieSingh]

Boris delivered a landslide majority by taking advantage of Brexit and was based on absolute bu ll **** (how many millions a day went to the NHS for e.g.)

It’s like sales people who think they are brilliant at selling
But are always selling stuff that the organisation can’t deliver
Piss easy to sell it especially when it’s unachievable bill sh it

Actually don’t think the Red lot will be any better we really do seem to be in some real trouble, I know they had issues with the war (and that shouldn’t be ignored) but economically Blair and mostly Brown who managed to try and steer a way out of the boom and bust approach and managed the economy well, but since then we’ve had the Tories and their stupid approach to the economy, and some really difficult times (Covid) which have compounded this mis management

Seems to be about personalities and not ability too these days which is stupid, I’d rather have capable MPs and ministers rather than likeable ones

[regis80]

Boris delivered a landslide majority by taking advantage of Brexit and was based on absolute bu ll **** (how many millions a day went to the NHS for e.g.)

It’s like sales people who think they are brilliant at selling
But are always selling stuff that the organisation can’t deliver
Piss easy to sell it especially when it’s unachievable bill sh it

Actually don’t think the Red lot will be any better we really do seem to be in some real trouble, I know they had issues with the war (and that shouldn’t be ignored) but economically Blair and mostly Brown who managed to try and steer a way out of the boom and bust approach and managed the economy well, but since then we’ve had the Tories and their stupid approach to the economy, and some really difficult times (Covid) which have compounded this mis management

Seems to be about personalities and not ability too these days which is stupid, I’d rather have capable MPs and ministers rather than likeable ones

Top post BS, agree with it all. The point about personalities - it’s as if the whole voting thing has become some reality show to make us all become polarised. Hate all this.. move to left move right, just get the job of looking after the country done.
This left think tank, or right think tank - all with their own agendas. Lobby groups existing to only benefit themselves - id make all this illegal along with private donors so that all parties have an equal playing field. Also if your wealth is above a certain amount - you should not govern.

[BaggieSingh]

Top post BS, agree with it all. The point about personalities - it’s as if the whole voting thing has become some reality show to make us all become polarised. Hate all this.. move to left move right, just get the job of looking after the country done.
This left think tank, or right think tank - all with their own agendas. Lobby groups existing to only benefit themselves - id make all this illegal along with private donors so that all parties have an equal playing field. Also if your wealth is above a certain amount - you should not govern.

We will be totally polarised like the Americans soon
We have to all meet in the middle a bit more

[baggieal]

Boris delivered a landslide majority by taking advantage of Brexit and was based on absolute bu ll **** (how many millions a day went to the NHS for e.g.)

It’s like sales people who think they are brilliant at selling
But are always selling stuff that the organisation can’t deliver
Piss easy to sell it especially when it’s unachievable bill sh it

Actually don’t think the Red lot will be any better we really do seem to be in some real trouble, I know they had issues with the war (and that shouldn’t be ignored) but economically Blair and mostly Brown who managed to try and steer a way out of the boom and bust approach and managed the economy well, but since then we’ve had the Tories and their stupid approach to the economy, and some really difficult times (Covid) which have compounded this mis management

Seems to be about personalities and not ability too these days which is stupid, I’d rather have capable MPs and ministers rather than likeable ones

Hope your well BS! Agree with your post. Yes the Brexit vote was bull s hit but Farage is one of the biggest culprits. Illegal immigration pushed the Brexit vote to the majority but people were dumb - what had EU immigration got anything to do with it! Europeans were damn hard working and now there’s a huge problem in the NHS and hospitality with these people going home. Illegal immigration of non EU citizens was the problem and actually worse post Brexit now.

Labour should have the balls to push for a re-entry of the EU as it would be a good vote clincher and in my view more would vote to go back in!

Apart from the devastation of Brexit to many companies Jeremy Hunt has said the energy help will now last until April. Funny that as in some EU countries they are applying windfall taxes on their energy companies or helping their citizens much more than here in the U.K.!

This country is great if you are rich but becoming third world if you are poor. I have a doctor friend who says - don’t be reliant on the NHS for too long as it will be privatised. Waiting lists are huge not only because of Covid but because many patients are being forced to pay for their own operations!

PS - when CEO’S of energy companies draw obscene bonuses then they shouldn’t be surprised at threats to them!!!! A complete
p iss take for those struggling to feed their kids!! Supermarkets are already budgeting for more shrinkage of stock but can’t blame some who need to feed their kids!

[mickd1961]

I happened to read a piece in my mum’s paper by Peter Hitchens yesterday ( yes 123, it was the Sunday Mail ) but if you know anything about politics you’ll know that Hitchens has no time for the Tory Party!

I think the guy is one of the sharpest political minds we have.

He was seething about the Torys and the present situation but also about politics in general in this country.

He was saying what I’ve said for some time on this forum, that a brand new party is needed because neither what we have in power or the Labour Party are fit for purpose.

He’s right, it needs the best of the centre ground Tory’s, the same from Labour and and likeminded from a Liberal perspective to coalesce in a new centrist party.

I was for Brexit but as I stated a few weeks ago, we were sold a lie by Farage and what is needed is a second referendum offer by a new party as part of their prospectus.

Labour are not brave enough to offer this but my own view is that they’d still win back the Red Wall seats if they did make the offer.

The lack of balls in being willing to put this forward by Starmer tells me he isn’t a man of his convictions.

[Omegstrat6]

Hunt's announcement today came across as measured and sensible. His reversal of virtually all of the mini budget must surely mean that Truss must now go as she is grossly incompetent as a PM. But it must be remembered that she only delivered what she said she was going to do throughout her campaign. Its those that voted For her who are to blame. For myself, much as I disliked Sunak, I always thought that his reasonings on the impact of her proposed tax cuts were correct (as they have turned out to be) and that he also had a greater social conscience than Truss. Sadly-for us all-too many party members were stupid/selfish enough to swallow Truss's Maggie-wannabe impersonation and vote for her and could not forgive Sunak for turning on BJ.

Totally agree about the need for a new, centrist, party but doubt that this will happen anytime soon. As for Brexit, there was plenty wrong with the EU but always thought there were more downsides to leaving than ups. There should have been a second referendum on this and the argument by Brexiteers that this would have been "undemocratic" was a facile one and was purely based on their fear that a second vote would likely reverse the first. If more information/concerns came to light following the first referrendum that may have lead to more informed decision making how on earth can it be undemocratic to then hold a second vote? I don't buy into the theory that Brexit was pushed through by anti-immigration voters alone-but they did play their part.

Can't see a GE being called (and have big concerns with Labour even if I believe in some of their policies) so maybe BJ -unlike Donald😁- might be back after all?

[baggieal]

I understand why Hunt reversed the budget but energy support until April? Really!!

It’s all right for all of us who can get through these high energy costs and the cost of living. What about those who genuinely can’t? So old people dying of hyperthermia and more suicides because of not being able to cope?

The thing that makes me vomit - there’s far more help for energy support in EU Countries and some applying a windfall tax on those energy companies. Those CEO’S of energy companies who get obscene bonuses may want to go in hiding! Do you really blame anyone for what they may do?

The Tory party is just for the rich. What about upping corporation tax to the likes of Amazon to 30% and tax them on their turnover in this country as opposed to them buying profits in new warehousing and infrastructure year after year after year!! End result very little profit to tax!! Disgusting!

[Omegstrat6]

Think Hunt was hedging his bets on this. On one hand, the country clearly needs to control it's public spending hence the reversal of promises to extend help beyond April but he did also state that they would then review the situation again and stressed the need to protect the vulnerable and to take a more targeted approach as to who the government needs to help. It could be read that this was a sensible thing as previous aid has also benefited those that could manage without it but the moot point is will they really provide enough assistance for the less well off? Totally agree that he should also have invoked windfall taxes on excessive profits from energy companies however as this would help fund the help needed.

The talk about more targeted help for those businesses that need it also sounds sensible but doubt he will work to close the loopholes that allow the big players like Amazon to avoid paying the taxes they should which might help enable this support.

His warnings of further "difficult decisions" to come should be no surprise. Undoubtedly this will be mostly around cuts in public spending but whilst far better controls are certainly needed my concern is that this will lead to cuts in public services that will impact on the vulnerable and poorer sections of society hardest. What Hunt said sounds reasonable but the devil will be in the detail. Can't take what most politicians say at face value.