McClean whinging again.

[John2]

To get a job as an academic at a UK university people are forced to write something called a "diversity statement". Its strange how in this new Orwellian world words mean the opposite of what they used to mean - some academics are be forced to state something with which they disagree and the effect is to reduce the diversity of opinions at universities.

Wait, what do you think a diversity statement contains?

You think people are forced to state things they disagree with? What sort of things? How have you come to these conclusions?

[vaterland_miller]

Wait, what do you think a diversity statement contains?

You think people are forced to state things they disagree with? What sort of things? How have you come to these conclusions?

I have zero interest in what it contains. It is an example of expensive woke nonsense that provides a whole new industry for nice people with social science backgrounds to receive high salaries from tax-payers whilst deciding who gets a job and who doesn't. Why should anyone be forced to make a sociological statement if they want to teach anything let alone a subject like mathematics? And what of those candidates who are "just boomers getting upset that they can't say outdated views" whose "outdated" ideas are deemed by the nice people making the decisions to be unacceptable (even though those views are irrelevant to the job). And how does this improve diversity of opinion in the university?

[John2]

I have zero interest in what it contains.

Herein lies the problem.

Your entire argument centred around diversity statements being a "bad thing" without any justification of why, or evidence you understand what they even are.

In any job, employers have a duty to find the right person for the role.

I don't think a diversity statement is at all what you think it is or has the effects you think it has.

If you don't even care what's in them and are willing to be spoonfed opinions by people espousing marxist-culture war propaganda... how can you be so sure they're a bad thing?

[vaterland_miller]

Herein lies the problem.

Your entire argument centred around diversity statements being a "bad thing" without any justification of why, or evidence you understand what they even are.

In any job, employers have a duty to find the right person for the role.

I don't think a diversity statement is at all what you think it is or has the effects you think it has.

If you don't even care what's in them and are willing to be spoonfed opinions by people espousing marxist-culture war propaganda... how can you be so sure they're a bad thing?

You know as well as I do what is meant by "diversity" and it is not academic diversity. It is social, ethnic and cultural diversity they are obsessed with and such concepts have no place in the selection processes for jobs or places at university. The only diversity that matters at university is diversity of ideas and opinions and that type of diversity is constrained by compulsory "Diversity Statements".

I wonder if the late great Roger Scruton's "Diversity Statement" was the reason he couldn't get a tenure position in his later years - a great loss to the students he would have shared his remarkable wisdom and knowledge with.

To satisfy you I have looked at a random selection of example "diversity statements" on the Internet and tedious it was but it was exactly as I expected. I didn't find any mention of academic diversity or diversity of opinions/ideas. I didn't expect to. I think you are deliberately wasting my time so that I'll eventually just go away and take my inconvenient "out-dated" opinions with me - and I probably will.

Why would you assume I can't think for myself just because I don't subscribe to the currently fashionable political ideas (ideas that are assumed by their proponents to be sacred truths that are the only mark of a good person)? I have never been "spoonfed opinions by people espousing marxist-culture war propaganda" nor have I ever been "spoonfed" anything that I taken on face value - I have always thought about it and read up on it (well that wasn't always very easy before the Internet but we did have books and magazines and journals and newspapers). I have spent a lifetime of active interest in science and technology and I have a diverse set of interests in the Arts and Humanities that have been informed from a wide range of sources. Where have you acquired your trendy, left-wing ideas John?

I don't suppose Putin's armed forces are very worried by the prospect more black lesbian RAF pilots but they are probably pleased that the RAF is wasting its resources and time on "diversity" nonsense.

[CAMiller]

I have zero interest in what it contains. It is an example of expensive woke nonsense that provides a whole new industry for nice people with social science backgrounds to receive high salaries from tax-payers whilst deciding who gets a job and who doesn't. Why should anyone be forced to make a sociological statement if they want to teach anything let alone a subject like mathematics? And what of those candidates who are "just boomers getting upset that they can't say outdated views" whose "outdated" ideas are deemed by the nice people making the decisions to be unacceptable (even though those views are irrelevant to the job). And how does this improve diversity of opinion in the university?

Diversity statements have become standard requirements for many job applications here in the US. Mrs. CA is currently looking for work and has been asked to complete them in her pursuit for positions in high powered roles such as Administrative Assistant and Receptionist.

Along similar lines I had the "pleasure" earlier this week in attending 4 hours of compulsory CREI (Civil Rights, Equity and Inclusion) training where I work. The majority of the class taught me about White Privilege, White Supremacy Culture and White Fragility (look them up if you want enlightening). Today I submitted my feedback on the training. I'm told the feedback is anonymous. I guess I'll know if that's true if I'm still in a job in a couple of weeks.

[vaterland_miller]

You have my email address CAM. Drop me a line if you lose your job. The idiots running such companies and organizations deserve to lose everyone who can think. Unfortunately central to their policy is the attraction of marketing to the growing numbers of successfully brainwashed members of the younger generations - the woke zombies. They assume that they can take the rest of us for granted but they can't.

[Grist_To_The_Mill]

You have my email address CAM. Drop me a line if you lose your job. The idiots running such companies and organizations deserve to lose everyone who can think. Unfortunately central to their policy is the attraction of marketing to the growing numbers of successfully brainwashed members of the younger generations - the woke zombies. They assume that they can take the rest of us for granted but they can't.

And there's the opposite view that such actions harden the stance of those that disagree with it all. Those that up to now have stayed in the background and lived with it. But then there comes a point when the quiet ones say " that's enough" and start to kick back.

We are seeing symptoms of this in the UK, we've had all sorts of anti racist gimmics in football but incidents of racism are on the increase. How come?

Today "our" team will take the knee some will applaud, some will boo but most will do nothing. What's simmering under the surface for those fans?

If somebody is truly racist daft gimmics won't change them they will just be more careful with their actions and recruit others to their cause.

[CAMiller]

You have my email address CAM. Drop me a line if you lose your job. The idiots running such companies and organizations deserve to lose everyone who can think. Unfortunately central to their policy is the attraction of marketing to the growing numbers of successfully brainwashed members of the younger generations - the woke zombies. They assume that they can take the rest of us for granted but they can't.

Thanks for the offer vaterland, much appreciated. I'll start preparing my diversity statement for you just in case

[sota]

Thanks for the offer vaterland, much appreciated. I'll start preparing my diversity statement for you just in case

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[CAMiller]

Diversity statements have become standard requirements for many job applications here in the US. Mrs. CA is currently looking for work and has been asked to complete them in her pursuit for positions in high powered roles such as Administrative Assistant and Receptionist.

Along similar lines I had the "pleasure" earlier this week in attending 4 hours of compulsory CREI (Civil Rights, Equity and Inclusion) training where I work. The majority of the class taught me about White Privilege, White Supremacy Culture and White Fragility (look them up if you want enlightening). Today I submitted my feedback on the training. I'm told the feedback is anonymous. I guess I'll know if that's true if I'm still in a job in a couple of weeks.

In case anyone was worried I can confirm this article is not about me (at least not yet )

https://news.yahoo.com/seattle-man-c...165300730.html

In the meantime, there's a 4 hour seminar next week where I work entitled "What's Up With White Women?" (the answer is apparently control, perfectionism and defensiveness). I'm considering a counter argument/seminar and replacing white with another colour to see if it receives corporate approval.