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[Grist_To_The_Mill]

They aren't opposing Grist , just facts that are very uncomfortable to read .

So was the history of bear baiting, but we’ve moved on, not still having tantrums about it

[KerrAvon]

The referendum was 2016 and we’ve still got idiots opposing it.

The charge of The Light Brigade was in 1854, but the passage of time doesn't mean that it was a good idea.

[howdydoo]

The charge of The Light Brigade was in 1854, but the passage of time doesn't mean that it was a good idea.

He’s got a point though. We’ve had covid and frankly most MP’s were against it from day one. If these people had respected the vote we’d be much further along.

I didn’t give a monkeys which way it went. For me it’s worked out better but I just wished ‘we’d have given it a go’ and not downed tools from the start.

John2 posted that trade with the EU was 16% down but Eu trade to us is 20% down. Isn’t inflation in the EU higher than here?

The EU is more robust and no one can argue with that but we don’t (want to) manufacture anything but let’s not convince ourselves it’s not possible.

We’re just a nation full off non achievers who like to think they’ve touched a nerve here or there. Lol.

[mygiddypant]

The referendum was 2016 and we’ve still got idiots opposing it.

Because it was six years ago are we supposed to accept that buggering the economy is an acceptable part of the decision?

Who the idiots are/were is a moot point.

[KerrAvon]

He’s got a point though. We’ve had covid and frankly most MP’s were against it from day one. If these people had respected the vote we’d be much further along.

I didn’t give a monkeys which way it went. For me it’s worked out better but I just wished ‘we’d have given it a go’ and not downed tools from the start.

John2 posted that trade with the EU was 16% down but Eu trade to us is 20% down. Isn’t inflation in the EU higher than here?

The EU is more robust and no one can argue with that but we don’t (want to) manufacture anything but let’s not convince ourselves it’s not possible.

We’re just a nation full off non achievers who like to think they’ve touched a nerve here or there. Lol.

No Grist didn't have a point. The fact that the Brexit vote was in 2016 is irrelevant to the impact that vote is having now.


No sensible person would try to argue that the current woes of the UK economy are wholly attributable to Brexit, but to try to airbrush it out of the picture is equally absurd.

The 20% reduction in imports sounds good, but it's worth scratching under the surface. The company that my partner works for historically chose to base it's European operation in the UK. The difficulties that Brexit posed for its operations in getting raw materials in and finished products out are such that it has now opened an operation in Holland. That move has reduced both exports and imports, at the price of reducing economic activity in this country. In fairness, the Dutch operation is still a satellite of the UK operation, but there is no guarantee that will continue, in which case skilled and well paid jobs will be the next export.

Speaking of 20% figures, on the day of the Brexit vote the UK economy was 90% of the size of that of Germany. It's now 70%. That's serious non-achievement.

[ragingpup]

That bastion of far left lunacy has made this documentary seperating the impact of brexit from that of other economic factors. Very revealing for anyone interested

https://youtu.be/wO2lWmgEK1Y

[Redshank]

That bastion of far left lunacy has made this documentary seperating the impact of brexit from that of other economic factors. Very revealing for anyone interested

https://youtu.be/wO2lWmgEK1Y

Very interesting RP, and it's hard to argue against anything in that video. It's a strong case against Brexit.

However, what both sides of the argument conveniently ignore is why a majority of the British public who bothered to vote, voted for Brexit in the first place. It was essentially the disenfranchised, the disillusioned (with politics) and the "ordinary Joe" who'd had enough of their living standards being eroded by successive governments. Rightly or wrongly, the EU was seen as a bastion of the establishment that had made their lives much harder, so they kicked against it...very hard! That vote pushed it over the line.

Until the reasons why many people feel this way is recognised and openly and properly discussed there's absolutely no point in banging on about how much worse off we are now because of Brexit. It will fall on deaf ears.

There's no doubt peoples living standards are being eroded over time - in fact it's gathering pace. Brexit is having an effect, but it's not the root cause, and it wasn't the root cause prior to 2016. Sorry to keep saying it but neoliberal economics over the last 30-40 years is to blame.

Tax the rich. End of story.

[howdydoo]

No Grist didn't have a point. The fact that the Brexit vote was in 2016 is irrelevant to the impact that vote is having now.


No sensible person would try to argue that the current woes of the UK economy are wholly attributable to Brexit, but to try to airbrush it out of the picture is equally absurd.

The 20% reduction in imports sounds good, but it's worth scratching under the surface. The company that my partner works for historically chose to base it's European operation in the UK. The difficulties that Brexit posed for its operations in getting raw materials in and finished products out are such that it has now opened an operation in Holland. That move has reduced both exports and imports, at the price of reducing economic activity in this country. In fairness, the Dutch operation is still a satellite of the UK operation, but there is no guarantee that will continue, in which case skilled and well paid jobs will be the next export.

Speaking of 20% figures, on the day of the Brexit vote the UK economy was 90% of the size of that of Germany. It's now 70%. That's serious non-achievement.

Airbrush Brexit?

No I wasn’t.

All I did was point out that our current predicament isn’t just down to Brexit. The 6 years of political infighting and failure to respect the vote hasn’t helped.

[howdydoo]

Because it was six years ago are we supposed to accept that buggering the economy is an acceptable part of the decision?

Who the idiots are/were is a moot point.

How’s it affected you? You sound like someone who prefers to moan rather than get on with it.

Waiting for someone else to fix their problems for them.

It’s the British way these days.

[John2]

Until the reasons why many people feel this way is recognised and openly and properly discussed there's absolutely no point in banging on about how much worse off we are now because of Brexit. It will fall on deaf ears.

It will be interesting to see what happens when these people realise that their protest vote has actually accelerated the decline in their living conditions rather than reversed it.

I hope they realise that living standards fall whole the country sees growth because that growth is disproportionately working its way to the top. I don't hold my breath though. I fear what the next bogeyman the right-wing media will invent will be.