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    Akshata Murty

    Interesting bit on Rishi Sunak's wife on the BBC website. Like many, I believe the couple's exploitation of her non-dom. status is totally wrong and agree with Baggieal that donating some of their vast wealth to charities or to help the most vulnerable here would certainly help the public perception of them. But this article hints at another side.

    I suspect that the exploitation of any available legal tax loop holes is common practice for a lot of high earners, however morally reprehensible, but it becomes far more damaging and indefensible when such individuals then seek political office, especially that of PM. May be nothing legally wrong but raises moral questions. Sunak won't be the first, or last, politician to take advantage but it is just the sheer scale of the family's personal wealth that draws attention to it.

    But I also think that there is an element of wealth envy at play here -and I include myself in this. A very great many work bloody hard all their lives and struggle financially for a variety of reasons and when you look around at the vast un-even-ness in the distribution of wealth there is bound to be degrees of resentment. Not everyone has "earnt" their wealth with hard graft or not gained it at the expense of others for example. But life isn't "fair" and maybe we are guilty of not seeing beyond the money sometimes. The more important thing perhaps is -as with everyone-not how much money you have but what you do with it, how you behave and what your values are.

    The BBC is often accused of being too left leaning but the article may interest some. Bottom line is that you cannot have that amount of wealth and remain "ordinary" -but you can still try to have certain values. Her father-who made the family wealth-disliked the caste system and so continued to clean the family toilet himself as a symbol of support and tried to live as simple a life as possible and pass these values on to his children. Having such wealth obviously makes it impossible not to have advantages but Akshata Murty is, by all accounts, a genuinely nice lady and many who know the couple speak of how well liked they both are even if they are on the other side of the political spectrum. As one stated, you can't live in a Yorkshire farming community and get away with having airs and graces.

    You can clean your own toilet or go shopping at your local Tesco as much as you like of course, but you can never really live a "normal" life with that much money nor truly understand the financial pressures that many others have but I guess sometimes having such wealth just makes you an easy target in itself. Surely, for example, taking the time to personally make cups of tea and delivering them and biscuits to waiting journalists is more a reflection on her character than the fact that she used rather more expensive bespoke mugs for which some criticised her.

    Given the circumstances perhaps Akshata Murty is doing her best. Maybe they do give monies to charities without shouting about it, who knows?. Certainly disagree with the non-dom. thing and think they could do themselves a big favour by making a more public gesture by donating some of their personal wealth to help the more vulnerable at this time but , despite his money and traditional Tory beliefs, I do think that Sunak does have a social conscience. And maybe his wife isn't the out of touch "rich bitch" she is sometimes demonized as. That still won't change the fact that they will be immune to the further looming "austerity" cuts that her husband and the Tories will unleash upon the country, but maybe the article might give a more balanced view of them.

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    A huge amount of money does change things, as does an acute lack of it. I know I grew up in a family that hated rich people, whoever they were just because they were rich. I’ve sat on the stairs many a time with my gran holding a candle on a saucer because she wouldn’t ask next door for a sixpence for the electric meter (as used to be) It took me quite a while to treat everyone, rich or poor with the same amount of respect and dignity. Some are born into wealth and could no more help it than I could being born into a poor family. The outcomes might be very different but I have always endeavoured to give everyone the time of day.

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    I’ve no problem with wealth, compared to 99%+ of the U.K. population I’m lucky to be in the wealthy bracket according to statistics.

    I live a very basic life and don’t flaunt my wealth, BaggieAl and Des will attest to this having seen how scruffy I am.

    I find it difficult spending money on myself with everyday stuff like clothes and I don’t wear a watch or jewellery.

    I’d put Al in the same bracket as myself albeit he lives on millionaires row! 😏

    I really hate the likes of Bernie Ecclestone’s daughters, neither have done a days work in their lives yet can buy a £70m house and ram their wealth grown peoples throats.

    I can’t be doing with gold plated taps and ridiculously lavish spending on trinkets.

    John Caldwell who owned Phones4U is one who conflicts me.

    He came from nothing and built a billionaire status so fair play to him but seeing him fit out his £70m home in a TV programme, the over the top demands and spending was real “God Complex” and “Diva” behaviour.

    I really respect mega rich and wealthy people who are humble.

    I take the biggest compliment from friends I’ve had since comprehensive school who say I’m the same as I was back then and that I’m as down to Earth as I was when I had nothing.

    I had very little for the first 37-40 years of my life so that probably helps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mickd1961 View Post
    I’ve no problem with wealth, compared to 99%+ of the U.K. population I’m lucky to be in the wealthy bracket according to statistics.

    I live a very basic life and don’t flaunt my wealth, BaggieAl and Des will attest to this having seen how scruffy I am.

    I find it difficult spending money on myself with everyday stuff like clothes and I don’t wear a watch or jewellery.

    I’d put Al in the same bracket as myself albeit he lives on millionaires row! ��

    I really hate the likes of Bernie Ecclestone’s daughters, neither have done a days work in their lives yet can buy a £70m house and ram their wealth grown peoples throats.

    I can’t be doing with gold plated taps and ridiculously lavish spending on trinkets.

    John Caldwell who owned Phones4U is one who conflicts me.

    He came from nothing and built a billionaire status so fair play to him but seeing him fit out his £70m home in a TV programme, the over the top demands and spending was real “God Complex” and “Diva” behaviour.

    I really respect mega rich and wealthy people who are humble.

    I take the biggest compliment from friends I’ve had since comprehensive school who say I’m the same as I was back then and that I’m as down to Earth as I was when I had nothing.

    I had very little for the first 37-40 years of my life so that probably helps.

    I agree your a scruffy f ucker In all seriousness hating someone who is loaded is pathetic!!! I would never ever be envious of anyone! Good luck to someone who is loaded.

    What I hate though is people like Sunak's wife who escapes taxation through her Non Dom status. I don't have a problem they have several luxury multi million pound properties but I do have a problem that she escapes inheritance tax etc etc which anyone pays over the 325 thousand threshold. Sunak for an intelligent guy is quite thick - scrap her Non Dom status and donate a few million to food banks as well as paying tax on past earnings. People's perception of Sunak then could change!!! No chance this will happen. Trump who is a horrible piece of work at least donated his salary as President. Will Sunak? No chance as greed is within the blood and people like this ilk would sell their own family to get richer.

    My own daughter has listed certain furniture items and even a trampoline free of charge to anyone who needs these items ( Xmas etc ) because being kind and thinking of the less fortunate is a precious gift.

    There are rich people who are kind but most people who are generous and give to charities are the have not's category for sure. Ask a tradesman where he will gets lots of teas and bacon sandwiches - it will be those lovely people in modest homes where many in mansions won't even let the chaps use their loo let alone make them a cuppa!

    So for me - I detest the Sunak's and totally out of touch with those who are struggling and they are more intent on making even more millions for their coffers!

    I have personally seen more people who are not loaded with happy marriages and happy lives as opposed to many who are loaded whose life motivation is greed and one of the couple is s hagging around!

    PS - most don’t have an issue with people like Grant earning around 25 to 30K a week! They do though when c unts like him take the complete p iss and don’t even break a sweat or show any desire!!!! Do you think he would really care if West Brom were relegated?
    Last edited by baggieal; 30-10-2022 at 04:28 PM.

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    The way in which society currently "values" individuals in terms of what salaries it is happy to accept for them to be paid is another topic altogether!I

    Wasn't too long ago when pro footballers and "pop" stars really didn't get the financial rewards they deserved but the money some can expect to earn these days is almost obscene. Media "stars" are another example. I mean, I personally do not dislike Lineker that much but does he really deserve that kind of salary? These of course, are relatively new developments though as other sectors-banking or law for example-have enabled a few to rake it in for donkey's years. Just that in the current climate, with so many under financial pressures, such salaries seem even more unjustified-more so for those whose salaries are part funded by licence payers ( e.g. BBC), fans (e.g. football), clients (e.g. Banks) or taxpayers.

    Problem is that this is all about the acceptable going rates. Not only are those media stars who do at least have talent paid enormous amounts, but the (to my mind &#128580 empty cult of "influencers" spawned by social media also earn unwarranted amounts. In one way, of course, good luck to them for finding an easier way to make money but in comparison to the vast majority who work hard for comparatively little financial reward the value system seems too skewed. Who should society value more, a TV entertainer or a nurse in A&E?

    Like so many things the salaries of footballers is down to market forces and "fairness" has nothing to do with it but, as Baggieal so rightly says, when individuals are perceived not to put the effort in to help justify their pay packet then resentment and anger will only follow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omegstrat6 View Post
    The way in which society currently "values" individuals in terms of what salaries it is happy to accept for them to be paid is another topic altogether!I

    Wasn't too long ago when pro footballers and "pop" stars really didn't get the financial rewards they deserved but the money some can expect to earn these days is almost obscene. Media "stars" are another example. I mean, I personally do not dislike Lineker that much but does he really deserve that kind of salary? These of course, are relatively new developments though as other sectors-banking or law for example-have enabled a few to rake it in for donkey's years. Just that in the current climate, with so many under financial pressures, such salaries seem even more unjustified-more so for those whose salaries are part funded by licence payers ( e.g. BBC), fans (e.g. football), clients (e.g. Banks) or taxpayers.

    Problem is that this is all about the acceptable going rates. Not only are those media stars who do at least have talent paid enormous amounts, but the (to my mind &#128580 empty cult of "influencers" spawned by social media also earn unwarranted amounts. In one way, of course, good luck to them for finding an easier way to make money but in comparison to the vast majority who work hard for comparatively little financial reward the value system seems too skewed. Who should society value more, a TV entertainer or a nurse in A&E?

    Like so many things the salaries of footballers is down to market forces and "fairness" has nothing to do with it but, as Baggieal so rightly says, when individuals are perceived not to put the effort in to help justify their pay packet then resentment and anger will only follow.

    I don’t like Lineker for his views but I don’t blame him for what he’s paid even though it’s obscene. I do blame the BBC though for ripping off customers with their license fees and for spouting all this woke bollox. When the license fee terminates then the BBC will need to be like independent channels and work for their money and paying huge salaries will be reduced!

    My whole point about wealth is it should be percentaged to fines and fees. For example why should someone who gets hammered for a driving offence be fined 150% x their weekly earnings with a maximum of 3,000. If you are on 100 grand a week then the percentage of fine should be the same as someone on 30 grand a year! Likewise if your assets are over let’s say 2 million why should a person receive free NHS - Free prescriptions if applicable and a free state pension? Even a huge lottery winner who banked millions still picks up his state pension! Does Sunak need his 160K salary - surely like Trump did the greedy t wat should donate it!!

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    Agree with you. My mum recently got the winter warm allowance but, like she says, this is given to everyone over 80 regardless of their financial situation. Why is it not targeted to make better use of the monies available to help those in genuine need? My mum, like so many of her generation, grew up having cardboard to fix holes in her shoes, no hot running water, no electric in most rooms, hand-me-down clothes, outside privy and the rest of it. She and my Dad worked hard for their comparatively small pensions and are now comfortable if not well off but she feels guilty over this even though I know they could use it given the current price rises.

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    The nurses/footballers & celebs argument is always trotted out but here’s the simple truth........there are tens of thousands of NHS nurses and maybe 600 Premier League footballers and maybe only 200 celebs that can command silly money in this country.

    So you’re not going to ever get 40,000 deserving nurses on £200k or more a week.

    The BBC apart, celebs and footballers are involved in a business that generates money through commercial success.

    I’m all for nurses and the like earning £50k a year or more but I want to see the money coming from reducing foreign aid, reducing defence spending, cutting out the ridiculous waste and profligacy in the Public Sector and by “taxing” Amazon and their likes on TURNOVER done in the U.K. rather than on their supposed non profits.

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    That's the real point isn't it-the few can earn excessive amounts provided everyone else can earn a decent living wage.

    Agree with you totally about the need to ensure that companies like Amazon pay the taxes they should, just as I do on the subject of spending public money where due diligence and budgetary controls need to be far far better. My only concern is on defence spending where continued cuts have left us short in key areas. I understand the debacles over the Ajax project and escalating costs of the naval carriers and F35 fighters, but given the likes of Putin and Xi Jinping perhaps we should listen to the warnings from those who should know about the shortcomings in our defence capabilities whether that be military hardware or cyber and counter intelligence systems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mickd1961 View Post
    The nurses/footballers & celebs argument is always trotted out but here’s the simple truth........there are tens of thousands of NHS nurses and maybe 600 Premier League footballers and maybe only 200 celebs that can command silly money in this country.

    So you’re not going to ever get 40,000 deserving nurses on £200k or more a week.

    The BBC apart, celebs and footballers are involved in a business that generates money through commercial success.

    I’m all for nurses and the like earning £50k a year or more but I want to see the money coming from reducing foreign aid, reducing defence spending, cutting out the ridiculous waste and profligacy in the Public Sector and by “taxing” Amazon and their likes on TURNOVER done in the U.K. rather than on their supposed non profits.

    You are very correct! Foreign aid to India in almost four years alone was 2 billion. These
    t wats then buy cheap Russian oil and sit on the fence regarding Ukraine!! Unbelievable!

    So with Sunak now as PM do you think foreign aid to India will reduce? In my eyes there’s only one winner in the way of a big brown envelope and it’s for Mrs Sunak through the back door!

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