Migrants Keep Coming and Coming

[WBA123]

This thread is about illegal immigration though, which Brexit has nothing to do with and hasn't attempted to address. Illegal immigration is small numbers compared to legal immigration.

I read a couple of months ago that legal EU immigration in the UK had decreased to 40k (ish) migrants compared to 400k in previous years. Would have to find the source but I think it was the Guardian.

I get you don't like Brexit, but the majority of the country wanted restrictions on immigration. Try recruiting from overseas now compared to 6 years ago and see the difference.

You don't think Brexit has been a factor on non-EU immigration? Most people on here voted for it because they were conned into believing it would reduce immigration. We now have less international influence than we had before and our relationship with the French has deteriorated. So yes, I think Brexit is a factor in this.

I don't understand your final point, the only thing that has changed in EU immigration is much harder. Non-EU immigration there is little difference.

[baggiematt]

You don't think Brexit has been a factor on non-EU immigration? Most people on here voted for it because they were conned into believing it would reduce immigration. We now have less international influence than we had before and our relationship with the French has deteriorated. So yes, I think Brexit is a factor in this.

I don't understand your final point, the only thing that has changed in EU immigration is much harder. Non-EU immigration there is little difference.

If you recruited from overseas you would know that brexit has overhauled the immigration system. It’s radically different.

You can still recruit to doctors, nurses, academics etc. but you can no longer fill a low skilled role with a migrant.

That’s the points based system people wanted isn’t it?

[WBA123]

If you recruited from overseas you would know that brexit has overhauled the immigration system. It’s radically different.

You can still recruit to doctors, nurses, academics etc. but you can no longer fill a low skilled role with a migrant.

That’s the points based system people wanted isn’t it?

I haven't a clue what people want to be honest. If I had to guess, most voted to be poorer, in exchange for fewer immigrants. But what we've done is made it harder for immigrants to come here who were contributing and easier to come here for non-contributing immigrants. And here we are economically worse off and posters on this thread complaining about immigration.

Yeah doctors, academics would be great (I'm still not so sure it's that easy for them to be recruited btw) but the real effect on our economy is the low paid roles. We need truck drivers, fruit pickers, hospitality staff etc. so European immigration was very important to our economy pre-2016.

Because of shortfalls in this area, businesses now need to pay more for staff and supply costs - which drives up inflation. Inflation is high, so BoE has increased interest rates. That's why I found it financially baffling why anyone voted leave.

Of course, we would have had economic issues anyway with global issues outside of our control such as the war and Covid, but Brexit has just compounded it. We will have a far worse recession than most of the rest of the developed world in my opinion - and it will be self-inflicted.

[baggiematt]

I haven't a clue what people want to be honest. If I had to guess, most voted to be poorer, in exchange for fewer immigrants. But what we've done is made it harder for immigrants to come here who were contributing and easier to come here for non-contributing immigrants. And here we are economically worse off and posters on this thread complaining about immigration.

Yeah doctors, academics would be great (I'm still not so sure it's that easy for them to be recruited btw) but the real effect on our economy is the low paid roles. We need truck drivers, fruit pickers, hospitality staff etc. so European immigration was very important to our economy pre-2016.

Because of shortfalls in this area, businesses now need to pay more for staff and supply costs - which drives up inflation. Inflation is high, so BoE has increased interest rates. That's why I found it financially baffling why anyone voted leave.

Of course, we would have had economic issues anyway with global issues outside of our control such as the war and Covid, but Brexit has just compounded it. We will have a far worse recession than most of the rest of the developed world in my opinion - and it will be self-inflicted.

Britain has recklessly handled immigration for a very long time. We had a workforce shortage and lazily brought in millions of low skilled migrants, with completely differing values and languages and chucked them, in there droves into low income towns and just thought everything would be fine for the original incumbents of that town. The original British contingent in that area then went from having a community of knowing everyone around them to having a street full of limited English speaking folks, with their own community and with values completely different to ours (for example burka wearers).

We then ask those folk if they want a change to a more responsible system and they get ostracised and ridiculed by the folk who haven't had their communities altered in this way. It beggars belief that these folk can't think beyond their own circumstances and think about the reality! That's the reality of immigration and Brexit.

We need a change in the way our economy works, from constantly flooding it with people to keep the costs down and become more self sufficient. Many countries have a tactical, responsible immigration system and the fruit still gets picked.

[WBA123]

Britain has recklessly handled immigration for a very long time. We had a workforce shortage and lazily brought in millions of low skilled migrants, with completely differing values and languages and chucked them, in there droves into low income towns and just thought everything would be fine for the original incumbents of that town. The original British contingent in that area then went from having a community of knowing everyone around them to having a street full of limited English speaking folks, with their own community and with values completely different to ours (for example burka wearers).

We then ask those folk if they want a change to a more responsible system and they get ostracised and ridiculed by the folk who haven't had their communities altered in this way. It beggars belief that these folk can't think beyond their own circumstances and think about the reality! That's the reality of immigration and Brexit.

We need a change in the way our economy works, from constantly flooding it with people to keep the costs down and become more self sufficient. Many countries have a tactical, responsible immigration system and the fruit still gets picked.

Interesting point of view, apart from the demographics don’t really back up your perspective. Generally, areas with more immigration were more likely to vote remain, such as London where I live - or most large cities in the UK.

The areas who largely voted leave were the opposite, areas which hadn’t been ‘flooded by foreigners in their droves’. The North East, Wales and Cornwall for example.

So although your point may apply in some limited situations, on the whole it’s not typical of why people voted the way they did. Do you think immigrants are risking life and limb to flood north wales or similar areas where these is no work? Yet these areas voted to leave overwhelmingly, probably because they voted very naively and bought into every con from the Leave campaign going.

At the end of the day, if you voted to Leave it really wasn’t a very intelligent way to vote, as has been proved since 2016. And if you’re now whinging about immigration, then it especially hasn’t been worth it.

[baggiematt]

Interesting point of view, apart from the demographics don’t really back up your perspective. Generally, areas with more immigration were more likely to vote remain, such as London where I live - or most large cities in the UK.

The areas who largely voted leave were the opposite, areas which hadn’t been ‘flooded by foreigners in their droves’. The North East, Wales and Cornwall for example.

So although your point may apply in some limited situations, on the whole it’s not typical of why people voted the way they did. Do you think immigrants are risking life and limb to flood north wales or similar areas where these is no work? Yet these areas voted to leave overwhelmingly, probably because they voted very naively and bought into every con from the Leave campaign going.

At the end of the day, if you voted to Leave it really wasn’t a very intelligent way to vote, as has been proved since 2016. And if you’re now whinging about immigration, then it especially hasn’t been worth it.

You can look at the data in anyway you like and make a different argument but there weren't many areas in England that voted remain. London was an outlier, one of the only outliers for England and there could be a number of reasons for that, such as age demographics. I can't comment for Scotland, Wales or Ireland but given migration has been less an issue in those countries, it's no surprise they saw no benefit in leaving.

For England there was a significant link between deprivation and voting leave. The Black Country for example, overwhelmingly voted leave. This, despite higher levels of migrants settling in the Black Country than most areas (who you would think would prefer to remain although who knows...)

I do think if you voted Brexit, you wouldn't/shouldn't have expected any realistic change for a long time. It's hardly got off the ground in reality. I don't see how you can evaluate if it's worked or not...it hasn't even been 3 years since we left and 2 of those have been during a pandemic FFS. Talk about it in 15 years and you'll get a proper view about what it is and how it's impacted the UK.