How long

[islaydarkblue]

Not buying any of that. How does a performance centre affect a stadium? And if it was scrapped,what's that big performance centre in the middle of cairdy?

I standby my comments regarding the original regional performance centre which was to be huge.
The current performance centre at Caird Park is a ‘watered down’ version of the original version of the performance centre.
The current performance centre contains a district heating scheme to keep the climate change activists happy. This district heating scheme is a bit of a fiddle as it only heats the performance centre not houses in the nearby district of Mill of Mains.

[islaydarkblue]

Not buying any of that. How does a performance centre affect a stadium? And if it was scrapped,what's that big performance centre in the middle of cairdy?

I enclose an article from December 2016. https://archive.news.stv.tv/archive/...s-complex.html

[grantzer]

I enclose an article from December 2016. https://archive.news.stv.tv/archive/...s-complex.html

Nothing in there says anything about new stadiums. Nothing about watered down either,just amended.

Nothing about heating half the toon either, just says plans will be adapted now because dundee fc will not be using facilities there.

You can stand by your original claim if you want,but I will also stand by my comments.

You claim john nelms refuses to answer questions put to him,but didn't answer how the performance centre would affect a new stadium.

How did John nelms get from no training facilities at cairdy, to we need a new stadium at camperdown?

[BCram]

Nothing in there says anything about new stadiums. Nothing about watered down either,just amended.

Nothing about heating half the toon either, just says plans will be adapted now because dundee fc will not be using facilities there.

You can stand by your original claim if you want,but I will also stand by my comments.

You claim john nelms refuses to answer questions put to him,but didn't answer how the performance centre would affect a new stadium.

How did John nelms get from no training facilities at cairdy, to we need a new stadium at camperdown?

Good point about DFC being involved with performance centre at Cairdy. Why did we move from that idea to building a stadium at Campy?

[Deeranged]

Nothing in there says anything about new stadiums. Nothing about watered down either,just amended.

Nothing about heating half the toon either, just says plans will be adapted now because dundee fc will not be using facilities there.

You can stand by your original claim if you want,but I will also stand by my comments.

You claim john nelms refuses to answer questions put to him,but didn't answer how the performance centre would affect a new stadium.

How did John nelms get from no training facilities at cairdy, to we need a new stadium at camperdown?

The original plans for Caird Park included two grass and two artificial (if memory serves) pitches to run on exactly the same orientation as Dens Park along with a suite of offices and a gym I think. The pitches were not to be Dundee'd per se but were for general use however Dundee FC would have more or less total use as they required. Dens was to remain the home ground and Caird Park just training and offices like they have currently at Gardyne. So, like you I see no connection between pulling out of Caird Park and any stadium. Stadium was never planned there.

However I also know they were looking at possible new stadium / complete all in sites before the Caird Park thing became an option. One I remember was at Tealing, which would have been ridiculous when you think about it, and it never got past the 'what about' stage. So there does seem to have been an intention to move away from Dens and Caird Park maybe offered an acceptable, probably short term, option. No idea why they pulled out other than maybe seeing the Camperdown site and having a change of mind. I really don't think it was anything to do with trees, birds, mushrooms (Cairdy is great for them) and certainly nothing to do with heating half of Mill o' Mains.

[jdfc]

Was caird park not going to be a joint stadium and part off a bid for the Euros

[BCram]

The original plans for Caird Park included two grass and two artificial (if memory serves) pitches to run on exactly the same orientation as Dens Park along with a suite of offices and a gym I think. The pitches were not to be Dundee'd per se but were for general use however Dundee FC would have more or less total use as they required. Dens was to remain the home ground and Caird Park just training and offices like they have currently at Gardyne. So, like you I see no connection between pulling out of Caird Park and any stadium. Stadium was never planned there.

However I also know they were looking at possible new stadium / complete all in sites before the Caird Park thing became an option. One I remember was at Tealing, which would have been ridiculous when you think about it, and it never got past the 'what about' stage. So there does seem to have been an intention to move away from Dens and Caird Park maybe offered an acceptable, probably short term, option. No idea why they pulled out other than maybe seeing the Camperdown site and having a change of mind. I really don't think it was anything to do with trees, birds, mushrooms (Cairdy is great for them) and certainly nothing to do with heating half of Mill o' Mains.

Thanks Deeranged. No link between the two decisions seems most likely.

[islaydarkblue]

Was caird park not going to be a joint stadium and part off a bid for the Euros

That was to be built at the Old Glamis Road end of Caird Park including some of the holes of the current 18 holes Caird Park golf course.
Once again I do not think that the ‘powers that be’ had worked out how hundreds of cars would vacate the stadium car parks at the end of a game and try to get onto the Kingsway at the Old Glamis Road roundabout.
From memory Dundee and United were going to both use the new stadium which would have had held 30,000 spectators.

[Deeranged]

That was to be built at the Old Glamis Road end of Caird Park including some of the holes of the current 18 holes Caird Park golf course.
Once again I do not think that the ‘powers that be’ had worked out how hundreds of cars would vacate the stadium car parks at the end of a game and try to get onto the Kingsway at the Old Glamis Road roundabout.
From memory Dundee and United were going to both use the new stadium which would have had held 30,000 spectators.

FFS Islay, traffic exiting a car park is the easiest thing in the world to manage. Just because you don't fancy it based on your ridiculous over estimation of how it would effect traffic, and more importantly you, for twenty minutes every fortnight doesn't mean someone hasn't considered it and came up with a solution.

Have you heard of temporary traffic lights or police on traffic control duties? Even at Dens there's a temporary traffic restriction order in place for when the ground empties after games - they stop the traffic for around five minutes on Dens Road until the crowds clear - easy.

[islaydarkblue]

FFS Islay, traffic exiting a car park is the easiest thing in the world to manage. Just because you don't fancy it based on your ridiculous over estimation of how it would effect traffic, and more importantly you, for twenty minutes every fortnight doesn't mean someone hasn't considered it and came up with a solution.

Have you heard of temporary traffic lights or police on traffic control duties? Even at Dens there's a temporary traffic restriction order in place for when the ground empties after games - they stop the traffic for around five minutes on Dens Road until the crowds clear - easy.

Leaving Dens Park is a bit different because people can drive in cars in all directions after the end of a game not out of a single exit road from several car parks surrounding the new stadium at Campy Nou.
At the PAN meeting it was stated that the supporters buses will leave the Stadium car parks first before any other vehicles are allowed to leave.
Therefore no chance of supporters jumping into the cars immediately after the end of the game to make a quick getaway.
Transport Scotland management are only interested in traffic leaving the A90 Kingsway to the enter the stadium car parks.
They have no interest in vehicles leaving after the end of a game onto the mini roundabout next to the entrance to Camperdown Park unless as you suggest that temporary traffic lights are installed or police hold up traffic which results in a tailback of vehicles trying to exit the A90 using the slip road for the Camperdown roundabout.
It does not take long for a build up of traffic to happen.