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Leaving Dens Park is a bit different because people can drive in cars in all directions after the end of a game not out of a single exit road from several car parks surrounding the new stadium at Campy Nou.
At the PAN meeting it was stated that the supporters buses will leave the Stadium car parks first before any other vehicles are allowed to leave.
Therefore no chance of supporters jumping into the cars immediately after the end of the game to make a quick getaway.
Transport Scotland management are only interested in traffic leaving the A90 Kingsway to the enter the stadium car parks.
They have no interest in vehicles leaving after the end of a game onto the mini roundabout next to the entrance to Camperdown Park unless as you suggest that temporary traffic lights are installed or police hold up traffic which results in a tailback of vehicles trying to exit the A90 using the slip road for the Camperdown roundabout.
It does not take long for a build up of traffic to happen.

Can you at least accept that there are people out there who know much more than you and who either have, or would devise, a solution that you can't actually see right now to the perceived traffic issues in the unlikely event that any stadium should ever open?

[Returnofrros]

Maybe no car park......fans are a pain in the Yankee ass after all.

[grantzer]

Maybe no car park......fans are a pain in the Yankee ass after all.

Fans cash however is fine....car parks are nailed on....

[BCram]

Can you at least accept that there are people out there who know much more than you and who either have, or would devise, a solution that you can't actually see right now to the perceived traffic issues in the unlikely event that any stadium should ever open?

The trouble appears to be that if the only access to the carpark at the stadium is from the A90, there will be queuing cars waiting on the A90. This would seem to me to be an insurmountable problem without substantial changes to the A90. Perhaps someone does have a solution, if there is one could we be told what it involves? Just really repeating your thought that someone with experience of these issues will be able to tell us the solution.

[islaydarkblue]

Can you at least accept that there are people out there who know much more than you and who either have, or would devise, a solution that you can't actually see right now to the perceived traffic issues in the unlikely event that any stadium should ever open?

If you are talking about Transport Scotland then I have absolutely no faith in them to do the right thing regarding transport issues.
They are the ‘clowns’ who installed large concrete blocks at the Strathmartine Road roundabout where car drivers turning left from the Kingsway into Strathmartine Road cannot see pedestrians crossing Strathmartine Road next to the roundabout.
Transport Scotland staff even installed drop down kerbs for people in wheelchairs and pushing prams at this crossing while car drivers exiting the Kingsway to turn left into Strathmartine Road cannot see people on the crossing until it is too late.
Once the again the lunatics are running the asylum known as Transport Scotland and don’t get me started about Calmac ferries.

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The trouble appears to be that if the only access to the carpark at the stadium is from the A90, there will be queuing cars waiting on the A90. This would seem to me to be an insurmountable problem without substantial changes to the A90. Perhaps someone does have a solution, if there is one could we be told what it involves? Just really repeating your thought that someone with experience of these issues will be able to tell us the solution.

Why is it seen as some insurmoutable problem that traffic might get held up on Kingsway for twenty minutes every two weeks in the football season? I used to go to Dortmund games at The Westfalonstadion in the eighties and there were thousands more cars than would ever be at any Dundee game trying to get out of the car park onto the Autobahn; there was never a problem, people just got on with it, yes it took a while to get away sometimes but half an hour was usually it. The police controlled egress, simple as that.

Solution number one - temporary speed restrictions on Kingsway, slow the traffic down to 30mph. Filter all that traffic into lane two. Allow all the traffic from the car park to flow into lane one. Easy.

Solution number two - temporary traffic lights. Slow the traffic to 30mph, stick traffic lights on Kingsway and stop the traffic completely, allow a minute's worth of traffic out of the car park and then let the Kingsway traffic move for two minutes, rinse and repeat - easy. There are already traffic lights on the road so it would be nothing new or revolutionary - they do it on the road into Edinburgh at peak hours so why not there? Note - traffic flow times are estimates and not scientifically calculated (in case Islay gets the calculator out).

Simple traffic management. If planners can make those lights at Claypotts work they'd make something work there. The way some people perceive this 'problem' you'd think they were talking about emptying Wembley onto the M25 and it had to be done within ten minutes.

And add to that the fact that if they were to get the plans right there would be places to go on site after the games so not all the traffic would need away within five minutes of the final whistle. Then of course add in that it's Dundee FC and half the crowd would be gone ten minutes before the end anyway because we'd be getting humped.

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If you are talking about Transport Scotland then I have absolutely no faith in them to do the right thing regarding transport issues.
They are the ‘clowns’ who installed large concrete blocks at the Strathmartine Road roundabout where car drivers turning left from the Kingsway into Strathmartine Road cannot see pedestrians crossing Strathmartine Road next to the roundabout.
Transport Scotland staff even installed drop down kerbs for people in wheelchairs and pushing prams at this crossing while car drivers exiting the Kingsway to turn left into Strathmartine Road cannot see people on the crossing until it is too late.
Once the again the lunatics are running the asylum known as Transport Scotland and don’t get me started about Calmac ferries.

I live on Strathmartine Road and have never seen this problem with concrete block restricting the view when turning. I think that's maybe just another problem ;perceived in your imagination.

Can you use your research skills (LOL) to find out how many vehicle versus pedestrian incidents have occurred at the dropped pavement on Strathmartine Road where traffic turns left from Kingsway please? I'd be genuinely interested to know.

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Fans cash however is fine....car parks are nailed on....

unless your trying to patg mate

[grantzer]

unless your trying to patg mate

True,but you pay for the parking before you try to patg. If you don't get in the ground,they got money out of you anyway

[Returnofrros]

Why is it seen as some insurmoutable problem that traffic might get held up on Kingsway for twenty minutes every two weeks in the football season? I used to go to Dortmund games at The Westfalonstadion in the eighties and there were thousands more cars than would ever be at any Dundee game trying to get out of the car park onto the Autobahn; there was never a problem, people just got on with it, yes it took a while to get away sometimes but half an hour was usually it. The police controlled egress, simple as that.

Solution number one - temporary speed restrictions on Kingsway, slow the traffic down to 30mph. Filter all that traffic into lane two. Allow all the traffic from the car park to flow into lane one. Easy.

Solution number two - temporary traffic lights. Slow the traffic to 30mph, stick traffic lights on Kingsway and stop the traffic completely, allow a minute's worth of traffic out of the car park and then let the Kingsway traffic move for two minutes, rinse and repeat - easy. There are already traffic lights on the road so it would be nothing new or revolutionary - they do it on the road into Edinburgh at peak hours so why not there? Note - traffic flow times are estimates and not scientifically calculated (in case Islay gets the calculator out).

Simple traffic management. If planners can make those lights at Claypotts work they'd make something work there. The way some people perceive this 'problem' you'd think they were talking about emptying Wembley onto the M25 and it had to be done within ten minutes.

And add to that the fact that if they were to get the plans right there would be places to go on site after the games so not all the traffic would need away within five minutes of the final whistle. Then of course add in that it's Dundee FC and half the crowd would be gone ten minutes before the end anyway because we'd be getting humped.

Solution 3......stay at Dens