O/T:- Ukraine [Incorporating 'Congrats to Russia' thread]

[drillerpie]

Russia is bang to rights for so many terrible things during this war, blaming them for this if it turns out not be their fault would detract from all that, so I think we should be careful here.

Most people acknowledge that if it was Russia it most likely wouldn't have been deliberate as bringing NATO into the war would mean instant crushing defeat so would be counter productive.

It could be a 'grey area' attack with plausible deniability, something they like doing, and on their state television talk shows they like to fantasise about starting wars with NATO, but I think that is just to distract from their defeats and satisfy the bloodlust of their audience.

It'll all come out in the next few days.

[Old_pie]

Russia is bang to rights for so many terrible things during this war, blaming them for this if it turns out not be their fault would detract from all that, so I think we should be careful here.

Most people acknowledge that if it was Russia it most likely wouldn't have been deliberate as bringing NATO into the war would mean instant crushing defeat so would be counter productive.

It could be a 'grey area' attack with plausible deniability, something they like doing, and on their state television talk shows they like to fantasise about starting wars with NATO, but I think that is just to distract from their defeats and satisfy the bloodlust of their audience.

It'll all come out in the next few days.

Russia could just be testing the West's/Nato's reaction to a blurred event. Like cutting pipelines or shooting down MH17.

The Ukraine "Nazis" are desperately trying to save their civilians from a barrage of indiscriminate missiles and may have shot a defence missile in the wrong direction.

Biden seems to be backing off the Russian missile theory. A part of me would have liked to have woken up this morning to learn that Russia had been obliterated - but I can still see the sun.