O/T:- Ukraine [Incorporating 'Congrats to Russia' thread]

[ForeignLegion]

Is there no ongoing resistance from the Palestinians?

Well, either way, I’ll leave you to compare and contrast the similarities between Gazza and Ukraine.

Btw, Gazza has two of the letter ‘z’, unless one of them got banned. ��

Nope, it only has one zee. You are referring to the Geordie footballer.

[Old_pie]

Is there no ongoing resistance from the Palestinians?

Well, either way, I’ll leave you to compare and contrast the similarities between Gazza and Ukraine.

Btw, Gazza has two of the letter ‘z’, unless one of them got banned. ��

Is that a French spelling? Or Spanish? Or are you likening our Gazza to Ukraine?

It might help the situation in the middle east if there wasn't a declaration to eliminate Israel. Or is that another "freedom" fight you'd sign up for? And on which side, the right to exist?

[magpie_mania]

No, I mean a negotiated peace that both sides agree to. What that turns out to be isn’t for you or I to decide, let alone negotiate between us.

Do you feel that Russia should make any reparations? Or should Ukraine just put up with a destroyed country?

[andy6025]

I wasn't aware that Ukraine was raining missiles on Russian civilians.

They actually are but the western media doesn’t report it.

Here’s a report by Canadian independent journalist Eva Bartlett about numerous Ukrainian attacks on civilians.

Some background on her to save Driller the trouble: She lives in Moscow and has been visiting the Donbas regularly since 2019. As you can see, her article appears in RT. But before you get too excited that she’s reporting ‘Russian propaganda’, I’d draw your attention to an interview she does where she explains her relationship with RT (link below). Starting at the 10 minute mark she goes into depth on how, with the exception of headline writing (a common practice in journalism) her writing is her own, not directed by RT, and that she stands by her work. The entire interview is worth watching (she talks about Ukraine constantly shelling civilians, but also about her observations on the recent referendums, among other things), but as I said at the 10 minute mark she explains RT’s role in her work and it runs to about 12:45... so just under 3 minutes.

https://www.rt.com/russia/563180-kie...civilians/amp/

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KszFzhJBcJA

The interviewer is Mike (Jones? I think is his surname). He’s from the UK but has been living in St Petersburg. He runs a YouTube channel called “iearlgrey” where he typically runs through what’s being reported, mostly in the Russian media (state and independent), but he also often compares Russian reporting to western reporting.

There are countless other articles in the Russian media about Ukrainian attacks on civilians, but I have little doubt that this forum will automatically disqualify them - ‘since it’s Russian, it must be lying’.

There really is an entire other narrative going on regarding this conflict (that started at least as far back as 2014), and by no means are our media telling us the truth. As John Pilger says, we in the west never hear the other side from our own media - it’s “censorship by omission”.

[andy6025]

Do you feel that Russia should make any reparations? Or should Ukraine just put up with a destroyed country?

It’s not up to me to negotiate a settlement. If both sides agree to a peace deal that includes reparations paid by Russia then I will be elated for the peace.

That said, I don’t believe that Russia is solely responsible for this war. I think the “collective west�, led by the Americans, have used the Ukrainians as pawns and cannon-fodder in what they see as a geopolitical game. As such, they ought to bear some of the responsibility. If that likewise translates into reparation costs as part of an agreed settlement, then I would likewise be elated for the peace.

[Jampie]

It’s not up to me to negotiate a settlement. If both sides agree to a peace deal that includes reparations paid by Russia then I will be elated for the peace.

That said, I don’t believe that Russia is solely responsible for this war. I think the “collective west”, led by the Americans, have used the Ukrainians as pawns and cannon-fodder in what they see as a geopolitical game. As such, they ought to bear some of the responsibility. If that likewise translates into reparation costs as part of an agreed settlement, then I would likewise be elated for the peace.

So let me get this straight... the "collective west" is responsible for this war... through what mechanism?

Did Ukraine invade Russia? No, Russia invaded Ukraine. How did the west engineer this?

And yes, any source on rt dot com can be dismissed as kremlin propaganda, because that's literally what rt dot com is and always has been.

[applepie2]

It’s not up to me to negotiate a settlement. If both sides agree to a peace deal that includes reparations paid by Russia then I will be elated for the peace.

That said, I don’t believe that Russia is solely responsible for this war. I think the “collective west�, led by the Americans, have used the Ukrainians as pawns and cannon-fodder in what they see as a geopolitical game. As such, they ought to bear some of the responsibility. If that likewise translates into reparation costs as part of an agreed settlement, then I would likewise be elated for the peace.

Who invaded another country?

[andy6025]

Who invaded another country?

Well, first Ukraine invaded the LNR and DNR which had referendums declaring their independence from Ukraine on May 11, 2014. Russia recognized the independence of these republics on Feb 21st, 2022, and on February 24th agreed to their request for military aid in accordance with Article 51 of the UN charter, and in doing so, invaded Ukraine. Several days ago Ukraine lobbed one (or possibly) several missile into Poland which, if done on purpose, may constitute an invasion, but Poland thus far seems to believe it to be an isolated incident and likely accidental. But I bow to Jampie’s expertise that they had to have had their system set on ‘surface to surface mode’ for that to have happened, so maybe he’s right to imply that Ukraine did it on purpose.

[andy6025]

Lo and behold there’s a Polish ex-city council speaker that agrees with Jampie’s assessment that the tractor attack was a deliberate provocation by Ukraine!

From the article:

Former Lublin council speaker Jaroslaw Pakula says Warsaw should rethink its stance on the dispute.

Poland should reconsider its position vis-Ã*-vis the conflict in Ukraine after a “provocation” from Kyiv that claimed the lives of two villagers, a former Lublin city councillor said on Wednesday. Jaroslaw Pakula, whose term ended four days before the incident, said the missile that hit Przewodow was clearly Ukrainian and that the government in Warsaw should send a message to Kyiv instead of saying “fairy tales” to its citizens.

“Of course it’s a Ukrainian rocket. Of course it’s a provocation by the Ukrainian authorities,” he added. Pakula posted on his Facebook page. “The rocket could not be fired 100 km in the opposite direction by mistake.”

The purpose of the provocation was to scare the EU and gain support from civil society to send even more weapons to Ukraine, Pakula added. Instead of saying “fairy tales” about the missile, the Polish president should tell the Ukrainian Vladimir Zelensky that Warsaw “will no longer tolerate this behavior” by Kyiv.

“I urge you to rethink Poland’s position [regarding] this war in case the red line is crossed again! Pakula concluded.


Pakula’s Facebook page still has a Ukrainian flag on his portrait photo and lists him as chairman of the Lublin City Council, the seat of the region where Przewodow is located. The city’s official website, however, notes that he had not been in post since November 11.

Zelensky was quick to accuse Russia of attacking Poland and the whole of NATO after a missile exploded in Przewodow on Tuesday afternoon, killing two people. The Kyiv government said the incident showed the need for NATO to “close the sky” on Ukraine, as they have been demanding since February.

While Zelensky continues to insist the missile was Russian, Warsaw and Moscow have both identified it as an S-300 air defense missile, with Poland calling it “Made in Russia” and Russia pointing out that he was in Ukrainian service. The US and NATO also described the missile as a stray air defense rocket, seeking to downplay the incident while arguing that Russia was the ultimate culprit for bombing Ukraine first. venue.

The Russian military stressed that Tuesday’s missile strikes on Ukrainian military and energy infrastructure targets did not come close to the Polish border.


https://goodwordnews.com/missile-inc...n-reuters/amp/

[i961pie]

My warped view?

All I’ve done is shown people’s views in their own words, but updated them with the now known source of the “error�.

As PTID says, “I expect we will discard any rogue scenarios and take action regarding the perpetrator.�

Ukraine 1, Polish Tractor 0

C’mon Poland, it’s your move!

I think you have just confirmed your first 3 words with this post.