Starmer - What a Prick!

[WBA1955]

A good education should be free to whoever wants one. Not everyone does.
For years a good education was only available to those who have rich parents, it still is really, though as Al says parents work hard to get their kid's the best.
Rich people don't want their kids mixing with your working class lot, they might pick up radical ideas, and heaven forbid these back street kid's might one day become politicians and have a say about how the country is run.
The Army was another closed shop, it was hard for working classes to get commissions while daddy could buy little Nigel one.
What I can't understand is why people jump on Labour politicians all the time, while continuing to vote Tory when they don't want the children of us scum mixing with theirs.
I think that it's snobbery, people who come from council estates and make good then think they are Tory, but they will never be one of them, they might find a use for them as a golfers caddy.
For what it's worth I have never lived in a council house on a council estate, but I have always had a sense of fair play and have never had a desire to tread on others to get another rung up the ladder.

[baggiematt]

Why on earth is there no VAT on private school fees in the first place?

Just a leg up for those that don’t need it.

[kettering_baggie]

Public schools are not always better than state schools, well, that used to be the case. I left my public school after at 16 after taking O levels and went to sixth form at my local grammar school, where the educational standards were higher than those I had experienced at the public school. As I said previously, not all parents that send their children to public schools are what I would call rich, many forego luxuries in order to pay for that education, it’s their money and they have a right to spend it as they wish. I didn’t send my children to public schools as we have excellent sate schools here in Kettering.

[mickd1961]

State schools, private schools and public schools - it is a tad bit confusing… 🤔

State schools are where the masses go in the U.K. Thomas.

Private fee paying schools are confusingly described as “Public Schools” as Kets explained when they are anything but that.

These schools had a reputation for a lot of “Willie watching” and gay teachers touching up the pupils at the “all boy” Public Schools in the 50’s, 60’s, 70’s and 80’s.

Pervy teachers were attracted to working in these institutions back in those days.

Now it’s completely different in this country, the perv and p a e d o teachers work in all classes of our schools!

[baggieal]

Why on earth is there no VAT on private school fees in the first place?

Just a leg up for those that don’t need it.

What about those that aren't loaded who scrimp and save and forego holidays and posh cars to send their kids to private schools to give them the best education? So to add 20% could result in another 3 grand a year! Surely it's more beneficial for the tax payer that more kids go to private schools!!! A state school place is not free as it's about 10 grand a year to the tax payer. Bit like the NHS - why would they want to reduce their appalling waiting lists when money who can't really afford it will pay for private operations or suffer?

Are private schools better than state schools - well kids will have more opportunities in private schools and be usually with more academically selective kids as most good ones have hard entrance exams. Bit like kids who will thrive and play to a better standard in a good football team who are very selective of the players - kids will excel and be brought up to the same standard. Whereby if talented football kids go to a squad where it's just for fun and some can't kick a ball - they will generally not get better. That's obvious!

Selective State Grammar Schools with the 11+ entrance exams should never have been abolished. Why should very clever kids be held back by kids who don't want to learn, have low IQ'S, or have problems. Still a few state grammar schools left and one near us! So many arguments by parents near us about the selective grammar school that's still going with the 11+ saying kids are cherry picked and weakening other schools. The arguments will always be from parents whose kids would never pass the entrance exam! Pure jealously!

Competitiveness should be encouraged as it's a fact of life! I wish I had been many things but being honest with myself - I never had the grades!

[SwedishBaggie]

State schools are where the masses go in the U.K. Thomas.

Private fee paying schools are confusingly described as “Public Schools” as Kets explained when they are anything but that.

These schools had a reputation for a lot of “Willie watching” and gay teachers touching up the pupils at the “all boy” Public Schools in the 50’s, 60’s, 70’s and 80’s.

Pervy teachers were attracted to working in these institutions back in those days.

Now it’s completely different in this country, the perv and p a e d o teachers work in all classes of our schools!

Cheers for explaining Mick (and Ketts), although I may have received a bit too much information here… 😜😎

[mickd1961]

Cheers for explaining Mick (and Ketts), although I may have received a bit too much information here… 😜😎

The infant/junior school and the Secondary school that all my kids went to have both had more than one member of staff sent to prison for grooming and other s e x u a l offences including secret cameras hidden in girls and boys toilets.

At the infant/junior school it was the headmaster who was doing it, my granddaughter now goes to that same school!

We have so many sicko’s in society now.

[DaveP67 is back!]

State schools are where the masses go in the U.K. Thomas
Private fee paying schools are confusingly described as “Public Schools” as Kets explained when they are anything but that.

These schools had a reputation for a lot of “Willie watching” and gay teachers touching up the pupils at the “all boy” Public Schools in the 50’s, 60’s, 70’s and 80’s.

Pervy teachers were attracted to working in these institutions back in those days.

Now it’s completely different in this country, the perv and p a e d o teachers work in all classes of our schools!

It is complex, I differentiate quite a bit between private and public schools, Private school as a term is any school not funded by the state but charges tuition fees, nowt wrong with these but not for me. Public schools: Historically the most exclusive – and expensive – mainly boys only and often are boarding schools, these schools (Eaton/Harrow etc) tend to create self entitled pricks, they definitely should charge VAT as most parents are likely tax exiles or in government.

[regis80]

Not familiar with how our schools are set up or what their legal statuses are. So are we saying that at the moment our state schools (where the masses go) pay VAT? and the public (private) schools don’t?

[regis80]

Michael Gove back in 2016 wanted to remove this ‘injustice’ that private school don’t pay vat.

https://news.sky.com/story/keir-star...clash-12758633

But Starmer is the prick eh Al? Lol