O/T:- Ukraine [Incorporating 'Congrats to Russia' thread]

[Jampie]

As always, your arguments are in tatters and you respond with zero substance. Pathetic.

[andy6025]

As always, your arguments are in tatters and you respond with zero substance. Pathetic.

Your argument is that they’re out of modern weapons to give Ukraine, but have plenty of “old, experimental and non-standard systems” to give them... what else do you want me to argue when you’ve already laid it out yourself?

[Jampie]

Your argument is that they’re out of modern weapons to give Ukraine,

At no point did I say they were out of modern weapons. You can't even quote honestly. The fact is the "collective west" as you call it hasn't given Ukraine a single western tank, jet, medium range missile, precision guided bomb or air to air missile. Not one. Think about that for a minute, and consider that every one of those items was specifically designed to trash the opposing Russian crap.

The second offset strategy has been active for literally decades, and based on how armoured vehicles fare against shoulder mounted anti tank weapons developed under it, I wouldn't be looking forward to Ukraine running low on the cheap stuff if I were you.

There is plenty of stuff left to give, and the factories for the existing older stuff we've already been donating can all be ramped up. Some of them massively so. If this thing drags on, Ukraine is not going to run out of stuff to kill Russians with.

After ten months of war, Putin's cheer squad (you included) are literally reduced to fantasising about the Ukrainians running out of ammunition. This is the only way you can seriously consider victory.

The sad part is that all Russia has to do is leave the Ukrainians alone and get out. And we all know they wont. Not until they're forced out.

[andy6025]

At no point did I say they were out of modern weapons. You can't even quote honestly. The fact is the "collective west" as you call it hasn't given Ukraine a single western tank, jet, medium range missile, precision guided bomb or air to air missile. Not one. Think about that for a minute, and consider that every one of those items was specifically designed to trash the opposing Russian crap.

The second offset strategy has been active for literally decades, and based on how armoured vehicles fare against shoulder mounted anti tank weapons developed under it, I wouldn't be looking forward to Ukraine running low on the cheap stuff if I were you.

There is plenty of stuff left to give, and the factories for the existing older stuff we've already been donating can all be ramped up. Some of them massively so. If this thing drags on, Ukraine is not going to run out of stuff to kill Russians with.

After ten months of war, Putin's cheer squad (you included) are literally reduced to fantasising about the Ukrainians running out of ammunition. This is the only way you can seriously consider victory.

The sad part is that all Russia has to do is leave the Ukrainians alone and get out. And we all know they wont. Not until they're forced out.

Your perspective is certainly unique. And it’s even once again at odds with western officials and the western media. I guess we’ll just have to wait and see if they’re right or you are.