OT. The futures Bright, the Futures Brexit!!!

[swaledale]

This thread is absolutely indicative of society, nobody has changed their mind, anything that has happened has reinforced their opinion, and many, on both sides of the vote, are fed up of the bickering.
I will just wish you all a Happy Christmas, peace to all men.

Not true, indications are that 63% now would vote to remain in the Eu and would favour closer ties such as rejoining the single market, customs union (this will happen within a decade as economic reality will dictate it). So apart from the minority of died in the wool gammons, who will never change their views anyway - I mean they have been going abroad for decades and complaining one can't get good British food there!!

As time moves on, the predominantly over 55 people who voted for some sort of return to the 1950's are passing on and hence their influence will wane.

Yes your right the Brexit voters would like to forget the debate, or more correctly they would like to see the illusive benefits of Brexit which will never materialise. Those who championed Brexit are desperately searching around for some excuses as to why Brexit hasn't delivered what was promised.

Businesses are absolutely at their wits end trying to cope with the paperwork that exporting to our nearest and biggest market the EU, involves. They are also struggling to to get staff and no matter how one spins things, higher wages won't suddenly magic non existent people out of the woodwork to do jobs.

I mean the economy is down by at least £400 million a week, our energy prices are the highest in Europe and magically the UK seems to miss the opportunity to trade without restrictions with 27 other nations more than the the 27 miss trading with us. Mind you that's not surprising, because checks and controls are largely only in place for goods exported from the UK to the EU! The UK government having quietly not introduced them for imports from the EU, knowing full well it would increase costs for UK consumers!!

With something as fundamental as Brexit, its not surprising that the debate will rumble on, especially as its now absolutely clear that most of the statements made by the leave campaign were false, pure lies. That by the way includes the claims of "regaining control", sovereignty (which we had never lost), controlling migration (its currently higher than before we left the EU!).

Going forward, eventually bit by bit as is happening now, it will be seen as a big mistake, a last crushing blow to the UK's self deception that it is somehow still the world power it once was. Yes we have significant political capital, as a stable country that operates on a sound legal basis - but the current government is doing its best to shatter that!!

In any case, as more and more evidence of how much a disaster Brexit has been for the UK, it beholds some of us to point out this to those who seem unaware.

[SithHappens]

We have been told its only a disaster because those negotiating the deal haven't got a good enough deal, and while I'm prepared to believe there might be some truth I've never seen detailed what we could or should have done different, other than those who claim the UK was in a position of strength and the EU should have been on their knees begging (which is rubbish)

Still waiting for someone to state a benefit of brexit and/or a good reason for voting leave (other than offering a defence of its not as bad as project fear suggested)

Still we have being charged for a visa and finger printed on entry to the EU to look forward to from next year.

[Andy_Faber]

Still we have being charged for a visa and finger printed on entry to the EU to look forward to from next year.

I think you need to provide some evidence for those two assertions Sith

[Trickytreesreds]

We have been told its only a disaster because those negotiating the deal haven't got a good enough deal, and while I'm prepared to believe there might be some truth I've never seen detailed what we could or should have done different, other than those who claim the UK was in a position of strength and the EU should have been on their knees begging (which is rubbish)

Still waiting for someone to state a benefit of brexit and/or a good reason for voting leave (other than offering a defence of its not as bad as project fear suggested)

Still we have being charged for a visa and finger printed on entry to the EU to look forward to from next year.

??? CHARGED HOW AND WHEN?

I was in Germany 2 weeks ago. I wasn't charged anything?

[swaledale]

I think you need to provide some evidence for those two assertions Sith

Although there are no visa requirements for UK citizens, travellers will need to apply for ETIAS from November 2023. The European Travel Information and Authorisation System is being introduced to improve safety and security across the Schengen Area.

There will be a fee for the ETIAS, but it will be valid for 3 years for multiple visits, essentially like the USA visa waiver scheme.

I mean its not that big a deal, but it is an additional document you require, when previously one could just go to an EU country and stay as long as one liked, even work there!

Compared to the economic damage Brexit is causing, its hardly worth being bothered about. But hey I should worry, Brexit gave me an unexpected bonus, helping firms set up HQ's or subsidiaries in an Eu country to avoid the ****e I knew was coming down the line.

I feel slightly guilty about the jobs, income and tax revenues the UK has lost, but on the other hand my pension is much better than it would have been. Thank you Nigel Farage xx

[Geoff Parkstone]

It's ironic that someone so opposed to Brexit should nonetheless line his own pockets from it and yet still claim a moral high ground of being right. A person true to himself would have turned such work down - let alone crow about it repeatedly

[Andy_Faber]

It's ironic that someone so opposed to Brexit should nonetheless line his own pockets from it and yet still claim a moral high ground of being right. A person true to himself would have turned such work down - let alone crow about it repeatedly

But GP, doesn't everyone love a braggard?

[SithHappens]

??? CHARGED HOW AND WHEN?

I was in Germany 2 weeks ago. I wasn't charged anything?

Yeah, I know you forest fans love to live in the past but germany 2 weeks ago can not possibly be next year

[Andy_Faber]

Yeah, I know you forest fans love to live in the past but germany 2 weeks ago can not possibly be next year

But you haven’t provided backup to your assertion Sith and I think you’re misinformed

[Andy_Faber]

Yeah, I know you forest fans love to live in the past but germany 2 weeks ago can not possibly be next year

Yes I was wondering about that, some shift in the space time continuum which means TTR already knows Forest are relegated