OT. The futures Bright, the Futures Brexit!!!

[Geoff Parkstone]

Lol...any port in a storm eh?
I guess there’s a financial benefit, but otherwise...just another unnecessary exercise in intransigence and bureaucracy guaranteed to irritate travellers from both sides of the Channel.
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and of course it creates domestic employment opportunities for all

[Andy_Faber]

Moving to the last two.

I’m sorry, and I know we’ll never agree on this one, but what is there to be respected about a decision that is doing us nothing but harm? Some of us have asked repeatedly for examples of the benefits of Brexit and the answers have always been largely unforthcoming. One of the definitions of stupidity is to make the same mistake twice. It’s a fine line between that and making a mistake and then continuing to plough on regardless out of ‘respect’ for the original flawed decision when all the available evidence suggests it is harming us.

So if I suggest that Tricky is probably a ‘*** tourist’ - which of course I’m not - that would be okay seeing as he’s referred to Swale (in all probability) as an ‘angry alky’ without any reprisal from you? I think not given your usual reaction to any comments about TTR’s Thai based activities?

1. Yes we’ll never agree. Note even Swale appears to be ‘ploughing on regardless’ despite his opposition (which is an observation not a criticism, it would IMO take a saint-like mindset to turn away business on the ground that it was due to / increased by Brexit)

2. I’m attempting a ‘softer touch’ on both parties

[ramAnag]

1. Yes we’ll never agree. Note even Swale appears to be ‘ploughing on regardless’ despite his opposition (which is an observation not a criticism, it would IMO take a saint-like mindset to turn away business on the ground that it was due to / increased by Brexit)

Criticising Swale for making a living out of preparing companies for the pitfalls of Brexit is a little like criticising me for making a living out of illiteracy, defending abused children and maladjustment, or a doctor for prospering out of ill health. Utterly senseless.

[Geoff Parkstone]

No its not......your examples of doctors and teachers are doing what they have trained for and do every day of their working life, one way or another. Making money out of Brexit is one off opportunism. I'm sure you support the concept of helping the infirm or the abused. in your examples, whereas I'm equally sure Swale didn't support the process that generated his "enhanced pension".

[ramAnag]

No its not......your examples of doctors and teachers are doing what they have trained for and do every day of their working life, one way or another. Making money out of Brexit is one off opportunism. I'm sure you support the concept of helping the infirm or the abused. in your examples, whereas I'm equally sure Swale didn't support the process that generated his "enhanced pension".

I’m not sure what Swale’s occupation was...some sort of accountancy I think, which I’m sure you understand better than I.
Making money ‘out of Brexit’, by preparing companies/people for what, at the time, was the forthcoming nightmare of Brexit seems perfectly reasonable to me.
Doctors help people deal with their health problems. Teachers help people with their education/educational difficulties. Swale was, using his training and insight, helping companies to cope with the financial/legal threat posed by Brexit. He might go on about it a bit to wind people up but, personally, I see nothing wrong or immoral about that.

[Trickytreesreds]

P.S. Note there’s no reaction from you to the character assassination attempted by Tricky at 12.06 today. ‘One rule for one...’ springs to mind.

i MENTIONED NO NAMES SMARTY PANTS.

Ironic though how you assumed who it was aimed at?
Coincidence? Or does the cap fit?

[Geoff Parkstone]

I’m not sure what Swale’s occupation was...some sort of accountancy I think, which I’m sure you understand better than I.
Making money ‘out of Brexit’, by preparing companies/people for what, at the time, was the forthcoming nightmare of Brexit seems perfectly reasonable to me.
Doctors help people deal with their health problems. Teachers help people with their education/educational difficulties. Swale was, using his training and insight, helping companies to cope with the financial/legal threat posed by Brexit. He might go on about it a bit to wind people up but, personally, I see nothing wrong or immoral about that.

You're right, it would be interesting to know what skillset Swale brought to the table, but I've never seen him as an accountant, not a lawyer given some of his assertion. Quite possibly in compliance which would fit with a Brexit role? Whatever, I still find it amoral.

[Andy_Faber]

Criticising Swale for making a living out of preparing companies for the pitfalls of Brexit is a little like criticising me for making a living out of illiteracy, defending abused children and maladjustment, or a doctor for prospering out of ill health. Utterly senseless.

As usual you haven’t read the op. I specifically wasn’t criticising him

[swaledale]

No its not......your examples of doctors and teachers are doing what they have trained for and do every day of their working life, one way or another. Making money out of Brexit is one off opportunism. I'm sure you support the concept of helping the infirm or the abused. in your examples, whereas I'm equally sure Swale didn't support the process that generated his "enhanced pension".

I also live with the inconveniences and negative aspects of Brexit, not much I can do about that is there? It wasn't one off opportunism, it was merely an an additional line of work that was created through something I didn't agree with, but is a reality, or was going to become a reality. Your criticism implies that nobody would work in an area where they didn't agree with a government policy or the effects of that policy, pretty sure rA had to deal with and work with government policies he didn't necessarily agree with in his career. Not sure what the difference is to be honest.

I take it then, as your the one being critical, that throughout your working lie, you were never involved in working with somebody or organisation or with a government policy that if looked at in moral terms you didn't agree with?

I can guarantee you have, because its virtually impossible to avoid doing so, given governments introduce stuff, which effects many jobs or lives and one has no choice but to work with it. One can as far as one knows avoid working for arms dealers, Russian Oligarchs, tobacco companies etc. though even then it can be tricky untangling all the connections.

Anyway my work was to help people mitigate the effects of Brexit, it wasn't helping to implement it, so your rather wide of the mark in your criticism.

By way rA my work was to do with the the practicalities of setting up subsidiary companies, legal structures and transferring or recruiting staff to them and what would be required to continue to trade with the EU. That was particularly complicated when you had components or raw materials coming in from outside the EU and then selling the finished product within the EU. But also difficult for financial services seeing as the UK government has still yet to agree "equivalence" on this with the EU.

[ramAnag]

As usual you haven’t read the op. I specifically wasn’t criticising him

Lol...and as you’ve made it personal, as usual you think it’s all about you. It isn’t and I was referring to GP’s post (8506).

Oh...and Tricky...seeing as Swale does get angrier (aka more frustrated by stupidity) than most on here and you and GP regularly suggest that he’s had one too many/started early I think my guess was correct. Of course, if it wasn’t, feel free to clarify who you were referring to.