Which would you choose?

[Andy_Faber]

So you would trade winning the FA Cup for the remote possibility of being beaten soundly by the rich teams in the prem? On a rational basis, the latter could happen anyway in 3 years, so you’re only delaying the experience playing in the prem by 12 months in return for an experience of actually winning a trophy!

On that same rational basis the former (FA cup win) could happen next year so it’s a nil outcome

[swaledale]

On that same rational basis the former (FA cup win) could happen next year so it’s a nil outcome

Ah but for the fact that guaranteed promotion gets us in the championship and I've watched Derby for years there, we might get promoted within a year again but its a probable. Plus we are more than likely to achieve that anyway within a short timescale.

A guaranteed FA Cup win is an actual trophy to saviour, which is very unlikely to happen in reality. So its hardly a nil outcome, as promotion is a definite possibility within the next couple of years, FA Cup win extremely unlikely.

[Andy_Faber]

Ah but for the fact that guaranteed promotion gets us in the championship and I've watched Derby for years there, we might get promoted within a year again but its a probable. Plus we are more than likely to achieve that anyway within a short timescale.

A guaranteed FA Cup win is an actual trophy to saviour, which is very unlikely to happen in reality. So its hardly a nil outcome, as promotion is a definite possibility within the next couple of years, FA Cup win extremely unlikely.

We’ll have to agree to disagree, or at least I will

[swaledale]

On that same rational basis the former (FA cup win) could happen next year so it’s a nil outcome

One can agree to disagree about what you would prefer, fair enough, but your statement here is still not true!

[Andy_Faber]

One can agree to disagree about what you would prefer, fair enough, but your statement here is still not true!

Don't start on a football thread Swale

[swaledale]

Don't start on a football thread Swale

I'm not starting anything, just pointing out that your statement is wrong under the premise of the thread, which is that either promotion or FA Cup is guaranteed.

I certainly can't see how under those circumstances its a zero sum - Derby's chances of promotion are much greater than winning the FA Cup under normal circumstances, I mean one only has to consider how many times Derby have been promoted or been in play off finals in recent decades as against the number of cup finals they have been in.

If you can't substantiate a statement you post and consider it "to be starting something" when I point out the obvious error, then I'm really not sure why your posting on this forum.

[Andy_Faber]

I'm not starting anything, just pointing out that your statement is wrong under the premise of the thread, which is that either promotion or FA Cup is guaranteed.

I certainly can't see how under those circumstances its a zero sum - Derby's chances of promotion are much greater than winning the FA Cup under normal circumstances, I mean one only has to consider how many times Derby have been promoted or been in play off finals in recent decades as against the number of cup finals they have been in.

If you can't substantiate a statement you post and consider it "to be starting something" when I point out the obvious error, then I'm really not sure why your posting on this forum.

You aren't worth the effort Swale, its been refreshing around here without all the name calling and swearing and I don't want to set you off again

[ramAnag]

You aren't worth the effort Swale, its been refreshing around here without all the name calling and swearing and I don't want to set you off again

Bit daft that, AF. No need for it. We’re arguing about fantasy stuff...guaranteed football outcomes and fairy godmothers...I tend to agree with you in terms of preference, but Swale is undeniably right that, for clubs in Derby’s position...play off success is infinitely more likely than FA Cup success.

As for the lack of name calling and swearing...perhaps the absence of a certain other poster has more to do with that. The atmosphere has certainly been more ‘relaxed’ of late and I can’t think of any other factor.

Either way, and yes...I know it’s not the FA Cup, but, after tonight’s Carabao results, I bet the majority of both Southampton and Forest fans would swap potential semi final and Wembley glory for Premier League survival.

[Andy_Faber]

Bit daft that, AF. We’re arguing about fantasy stuff...guaranteed football outcomes and fairy godmothers...I tend to agree with you in terms of preference, but Swale is undeniably right that, for clubs in Derby’s position...play off success is infinitely more likely than FA Cup success.

As for the lack of name calling and swearing...perhaps the absence of a certain other poster has more to do with that. The atmosphere has certainly been more ‘relaxed’ of late.

Either way, and yes...I know it’s not the FA Cup, but, after tonight’s Carabao results, I bet the majority of both Southampton and Forest fans would swap potential semi final and Wembley glory for Premier League survival.

So STILL after many years no words of admonishment directed at Swale? You really do earn your nickname rA

[swaledale]

Bit daft that, AF. No need for it. We’re arguing about fantasy stuff...guaranteed football outcomes and fairy godmothers...I tend to agree with you in terms of preference, but Swale is undeniably right that, for clubs in Derby’s position...play off success is infinitely more likely than FA Cup success.

As for the lack of name calling and swearing...perhaps the absence of a certain other poster has more to do with that. The atmosphere has certainly been more ‘relaxed’ of late and I can’t think of any other factor.

Either way, and yes...I know it’s not the FA Cup, but, after tonight’s Carabao results, I bet the majority of both Southampton and Forest fans would swap potential semi final and Wembley glory for Premier League survival.

Again rA, I'm not entirely sure that they would, I recall playing Man Utd in the League Cup semis and we nearly prevailed that was memorable, because for once we stood a chance of prevailing over one of the big teams in a competition.

I would value actually winning a trophy, be that the FA or league Cup over any promotion, because its such a rare experience and your club has actually won something. My view is that the majority of fans would prefer to have experienced that at least once in their life time, than a decade knocking about the bottom half of the premier league.

Whilst the premier league has an attraction, its value as a competition is devalued in my eyes, because only a very wealthy club can win it and increasingly a small number clubs are dictating the terms.