Internal Problems in the Club

[Nardendee]

Thanks for sharing that ChapelMiller and totally agree with it.
Was fed up but things can only get better. Let’s get behind him.

[sawmiller]

Always spouting off

So long as Doris isn’t off her trolley

[ragingpup]

Interesting view from one supporter who's written into the advertiser.

PAUL Warne left the Millers with a poor squad. He was good in League One but didn’t have the tactical know-how for the Championship and played in a style that wasn’t good enough.

He also knew the investment wasn’t forthcoming from Tony Stewart to keep the club up. Hence him leaving and the poor squad, with no real strikers, that we now have.

The truth is that Taylor must either keep them up and then be afforded the means to buy players to change the style or be allowed a relegation and to build again with players capable of playing modern flowing football.

A lot of fans have got the knives out for Matt Taylor, but many are rightly laying the blame for the current form at the doors of Paul Warne, Tony Stewart and the current players, many of who are simply not good enough to play in the way the new manager wants them to. After all, they have been coached in whacking the ball up to a big striker and hoping for the best for the past six years. They know no other way.

Unfortunately for Mr Taylor, the ones who are capable of playing a quick passing game, the sort that would enable Championship survival, don’t want to be here (Barlaser, Ogbene) or are injured and possibly don’t want to be here either (Wiles).

It leaves the club and Matt Taylor in a state of limbo, but he must be given at least a couple of transfer windows to put this right, which means off-loading mis-firing strikers and defenders who are too old and not comfortable on the ball, and bringing in players that suit his style.

I know it was in a lower league, but he had considerable success at Exeter City with the policy he and his backroom staff employed and I would imagine that was what attracted the board to appoint him.

I would imagine too that in any interview he had he would have pointed out the shortcomings of the squad and told those in the room about his ideas for the way he wanted the Millers to play.

It’s not always the manager’s fault and if I was pointing any gun it would not be in the direction of Matt Taylor

Agree with much of that but not that it's right to blame Warne. Warne had to work within a tight budget based on our income (that let's face it none of us know the full detail of, but I trust Stewart not to cheat us) and built an ethos and squad that he felt had the most chance of working successfully in L1 with that budget. Time will tell to what he changes with greater resources at Derby - if he succeeds in keepoing Derby in the Champ and in the top half (anything less will see their fans after him!) then we can conclude that he is a good manager. If he fails, with greater resources, then those who say he is limited will have justification for that view. Only time will tell.

And yes, MT has to be given time, to go down and rebuild if necessary. But I'm not sure I agree that we shouldn't question the wisdom of arriving mid season at a club that has a way of playing carefully built up over years, a squad with some good strengths but def limitations and then quickly try and get those players to play in a way that exposes their weaknesses and doesn't utilise their strengths is certainly not the way I would have advised a manager to do it! As already said on here, he didn't have to make the changes so quickly, I think you firstly have to play to the strengths in your playing staff and then slowly start to make steady changes so you don't bomb!

[howdydoo]

Agree with much of that but not that it's right to blame Warne. Warne had to work within a tight budget based on our income (that let's face it none of us know the full detail of, but I trust Stewart not to cheat us) and built an ethos and squad that he felt had the most chance of working successfully in L1 with that budget. Time will tell to what he changes with greater resources at Derby - if he succeeds in keepoing Derby in the Champ and in the top half (anything less will see their fans after him!) then we can conclude that he is a good manager. If he fails, with greater resources, then those who say he is limited will have justification for that view. Only time will tell.

And yes, MT has to be given time, to go down and rebuild if necessary. But I'm not sure I agree that we shouldn't question the wisdom of arriving mid season at a club that has a way of playing carefully built up over years, a squad with some good strengths but def limitations and then quickly try and get those players to play in a way that exposes their weaknesses and doesn't utilise their strengths is certainly not the way I would have advised a manager to do it! As already said on here, he didn't have to make the changes so quickly, I think you firstly have to play to the strengths in your playing staff and then slowly start to make steady changes so you don't bomb!

Fackinell, ............. shock, horror.


Raging talks sense.


If only for a day.......

[Derbymiller]

Agree with much of that but not that it's right to blame Warne. Warne had to work within a tight budget based on our income (that let's face it none of us know the full detail of, but I trust Stewart not to cheat us) and built an ethos and squad that he felt had the most chance of working successfully in L1 with that budget. Time will tell to what he changes with greater resources at Derby - if he succeeds in keepoing Derby in the Champ and in the top half (anything less will see their fans after him!) then we can conclude that he is a good manager. If he fails, with greater resources, then those who say he is limited will have justification for that view. Only time will tell.

And yes, MT has to be given time, to go down and rebuild if necessary. But I'm not sure I agree that we shouldn't question the wisdom of arriving mid season at a club that has a way of playing carefully built up over years, a squad with some good strengths but def limitations and then quickly try and get those players to play in a way that exposes their weaknesses and doesn't utilise their strengths is certainly not the way I would have advised a manager to do it! As already said on here, he didn't have to make the changes so quickly, I think you firstly have to play to the strengths in your playing staff and then slowly start to make steady changes so you don't bomb!

But MT has said that he wants to play a more direct style but he can't, because such a style requires a target man to lead the line and hold up the ball. This then allows for the high press, we are having to sit deep because we have NOTHING up front, the vast majority of us said that we had to get another forward in, especially when our reserve was sent out on loan, PW said he needed another forward, we lost out on the Watford lad at the last moment, I still think rumours about PW looking elsewhere were known and this impacted our ability to get some players in (agents talk!!), the bottom line is we didn't get that cover and we are suffering because of it. I do not blame PW totally for that I think the club should have dealt with it, if we can see it then so can the so called experts running the club and the recruitment team. many other clubs bring in players and the manager gets involved by stating his desires and at the end, for me the club failed to recruit key players, For example peltier and high were wasted wages and the money could have used better. I think MT is suffering due to poor recruitment and that responsibility is shared out and PW is part of that problem.

[Godsend.F.C.]

Agree with much of that but not that it's right to blame Warne. Warne had to work within a tight budget based on our income (that let's face it none of us know the full detail of, but I trust Stewart not to cheat us) and built an ethos and squad that he felt had the most chance of working successfully in L1 with that budget. Time will tell to what he changes with greater resources at Derby - if he succeeds in keepoing Derby in the Champ and in the top half (anything less will see their fans after him!) then we can conclude that he is a good manager. If he fails, with greater resources, then those who say he is limited will have justification for that view. Only time will tell.

And yes, MT has to be given time, to go down and rebuild if necessary. But I'm not sure I agree that we shouldn't question the wisdom of arriving mid season at a club that has a way of playing carefully built up over years, a squad with some good strengths but def limitations and then quickly try and get those players to play in a way that exposes their weaknesses and doesn't utilise their strengths is certainly not the way I would have advised a manager to do it! As already said on here, he didn't have to make the changes so quickly, I think you firstly have to play to the strengths in your playing staff and then slowly start to make steady changes so you don't bomb!

Post of the week ragingpup, agree with the majority of that.
Did you write it up when you were sober..

[ragingpup]

Post of the week ragingpup, agree with the majority of that.
Did you write it up when you were sober..

I am never sober.

[Grist_To_The_Mill]

Post of the week ragingpup, agree with the majority of that.
Did you write it up when you were sober..

Some good points other than the suggestion that Warne could do no wrong. Apart from being at the centre of everything.

[caytonmiller]

I believe if we worked alongside the people's names being mentioned for 1 week that Inc Paul Douglas some fans may have a different opinion to the effort they put into the club.

[Karl998yr]

I agree that TS, PW and anyone else with influence at the club pre MT have all contributed to our current dilemma.
That wasn't the fault of MT

Moving onto my thoughts on MT and what is his fault.
He knows by now the limitations of his playing staff.
He got off to a decent start by not changing too much too soon.
He is now trying to implement his own ideas and style and it clearly isn't working. I accept we have injuries and want away players amongst all this.

I feel MT is very much its my way or the highway and that stubbornness looks like it might cost us this season.
Unless MT realises this and starts playing a style and formation that plays to the strengths of the players at his disposal then we will be in trouble.

We used to talk of Warne not having a plan B when things weren't going right. MTs plan A isn't working right now but he can always use Warnes plan A as his plan B? It was working to a point this season after all.

Good managers are flexible and can change things when things clearly aren't working

Time to show you're a good manager MT