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    Quote Originally Posted by Geoff Parkstone View Post
    I don't care if he was suspended by labour, he's not Tory is my point. They all do it regardless of rosette colour. I'm only looking forwards so 1 in one day isn't bad.

    But if we look back the whole Blair Irangate stands out like a beacon of sleaze. Go back to the 1910's and the liberal cabinet "invented" insider trading regarding Marconi.

    Yes there's more of it now, but it's always been greater for the party in power. Which could explain why there is less historic sleaze - they haven't been in power much except under Blair (see above).

    Another reason that there is more evident now I'll wager is the greater scrutiny MPs are under following the expenses scandal during Gordon Brown's tenure. It was probably just as prevalent all through the 20th century but the perps didn't get caught.

    So no, we're on the same side of the fence regarding it's unacceptability but I'm not prepared to try to make a political issue of it. It's a phenomenon that reflects on the immoral state of those in public office whoever they chose to claim to represent. Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely - and an 80 seat majority is fairly absolute.
    But the list of recent Tory transgressors seems endless and ever ongoing in comparison is my point.

    Otherwise all fair points although I’m not certain ‘Irangate’ constitutes ‘sleaze’ and I suspect it’s a little unfair to blame Brown for the expenses wrongdoing by those who weren’t in his Party.

    I think you’re right about the ‘greater scrutiny’ aspect and I’m glad you identify us as being on the ‘same side of the fence’ but I can’t agree about it not being a ‘political’ - as in Party - issue. Your lot, if that’s what they are, have been in power for approaching 13 years. There is no one left to blame for both the parlous state of the country and the fact that scandal after scandal has followed the Tories around like a bad smell for much of that time and, most especially, since Johnson became so influential. If those at the top are so ‘careless’ with their moral compass is it any wonder the ‘underlings’ just follow?
    Last edited by ramAnag; 24-01-2023 at 06:14 PM.

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