Careless Tories!

[ramAnag]

I thought it was because you had a cold RA lol .
For us thickos who aren't teachers or who don't have kids in school... What are the 3 Rs?
I'm guessing that respect isn't one of them

Top of my list, RS...but it has to be earned.
Not sure where this teacher stuff comes from...or why you imply that those who aren’t teachers are ‘thickos’. Certainly not something I’ve ever suggested or thought.
The 3R’s? A term stemming from Dickensian times I believe and the bedrock of education in the ‘50’s and ‘60’s...Reading, (W)riting and (A)rithmetic.
I know...tenuous at best but don’t blame me. Before my time. Crucially important of course but probably best referred to nowadays as ‘literacy’ and ‘numeracy’.
My only point earlier was that, as far as I know, MA and I are the only forum members to have actually taught and we both appear to agree on the need for schools to place more value on ‘real life’ skills.
I’d go further and suggest that there’s a system of knowledge and control in this country which places high value/esteem on academic knowledge and places much lower status on more practical skills/knowledge. Probably suited both MA and I as we both went to Grammar School back in the day...but it needs addressing imo...anyway, you’re probably bored by now.

P.S. Curiously in view of your initial comment, I believe there are a newer 3 R’s these days...’Respect, Responsibility and Relationships’. Make of that what you will.

[Ramshank72]

Just humour at my own expense, maybe humility would be a good addition to the 3 Rs you suggest in your final comment. I never did pay too much attention to traditional literature, probably at my own loss, hence why it went over my head.

[ramAnag]

Just humour at my own expense, maybe humility would be a good addition to the 3 Rs you suggest in your final comment.

Yes, I agree. Returning back to the original topic it’s something the Tory MP - and minister for school standards - Jonathan Gullis might be reminded of given his appalling comments in Westminster this week.

When debating the ‘disappearance’ of about 200 asylum seeking children from a hotel in Brighton he heckled the speaker by saying, ‘they shouldn’t have come here if they didn’t want to be kidnapped and trafficked’. Unbelievable!

In the meantime...there are now 24 complaints of bullying against the Justice Minister...one Dominic Raab.

It seems this modern Tory Party is increasingly ‘careless’ where humility is concerned too.

[Geoff Parkstone]

I'm not sure the Tories have ever demonstrated humility in my lifetime, so not sure why they would suddenly start now!

[MadAmster]

I thought it was because you had a cold RA lol .
For us thickos who aren't teachers or who don't have kids in school... What are the 3 Rs?
I'm guessing that respect isn't one of them

Respectlessness, responsibility abdication and rights (knowing all of yours...) are what kids seem to know these days (not all of them, I hasten to add). Let's get back to Reading, Riting and Rithmetic

[MadAmster]

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[Geoff Parkstone]

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Methinks the 3 Rs have now been replaced by the 3 E's. Entitlement, Elocution (lack of) and E, just good old fashioned MDMA. Certainly these seem to be 3 primary things you can get at school nowadays

[ramAnag]

I'm not sure the Tories have ever demonstrated humility in my lifetime, so not sure why they would suddenly start now!

True...but I’m puzzled. Have you recently returned from Damascus?

[swaledale]

So it’s all rA’s fault! Poor fallible chap’s having a bad few days.
Seriously though, don’t agree. Even in ‘my day’ teachers had no chance of dragging most kids out of mundanity because there was and will always be a genuinely ‘thick’ but also a massive minority with potential but lack of direction, which teachers could/can only do so much to influence but parents very much should

I’d also argue that (too) many opt out of the working population completely with the blessing of an increasingly soft benefit system which favours them over genuine hard working low paid people.

You've been reading the Daily fail again, which delights in peddling such lies, and indeed a favourite tactic of the Tories - get people to hit down on those supposedly below them, rather than look up and wonder why the divide between rich and the rest of us widens every year, why during a financial crisis the richest1% get even richer!

I don't dispute there are some and I emphasise some, but a minority they are who seem to manage happily on benefit, no doubt whilst working cash in had at the same time, but the facts don't support your statement that there exists an "increasingly soft" benefit system " - I mean we have been over this before and whilst its a view held by a fair few people like yourself, who will quote anecdotal examples that hey know - it doesn't take much intelligence to realise that extrapolating that across the population as a whole is not a reliable way of reaching a conclusion.

Also if you had even the slightest knowledge about how the benefit system works, you'd know it was far from "soft" and indeed the Tories have been penalising people on benefits in varying ways for the past 13 years.

One area where you might have a point is the huge rise in disability payments, that is a growth area which needs looking at, though even there the outsourced agencies that assess such claims and do fitness to work tests have been doing their best to get the sick and lame back into work!

Its really not hard though to do a little research and look at benefit payments in the round - pensioners and working tax credits (which by definition go to working people) are significant.

[ramAnag]

You've been reading the Daily fail again, which delights in peddling such lies, and indeed a favourite tactic of the Tories - get people to hit down on those supposedly below them, rather than look up and wonder why the divide between rich and the rest of us widens every year, why during a financial crisis the richest1% get even richer!

I don't dispute there are some and I emphasise some, but a minority they are who seem to manage happily on benefit, no doubt whilst working cash in had at the same time, but the facts don't support your statement that there exists an "increasingly soft" benefit system " - I mean we have been over this before and whilst its a view held by a fair few people like yourself, who will quote anecdotal examples that hey know - it doesn't take much intelligence to realise that extrapolating that across the population as a whole is not a reliable way of reaching a conclusion.

Also if you had even the slightest knowledge about how the benefit system works, you'd know it was far from "soft" and indeed the Tories have been penalising people on benefits in varying ways for the past 13 years.

One area where you might have a point is the huge rise in disability payments, that is a growth area which needs looking at, though even there the outsourced agencies that assess such claims and do fitness to work tests have been doing their best to get the sick and lame back into work!

Its really not hard though to do a little research and look at benefit payments in the round - pensioners and working tax credits (which by definition go to working people) are significant.

I have to admit that, after all the sh1t AF has given you over your criticism of the electorate regarding Brexit, I was surprised to find him quite so openly damning of the ‘genuinely thick’ and the ‘massive minority’ who fail to fulfil their ‘potential’ within society largely as a result of inadequate parenting. It’s almost as if he hadn’t quite thought things through. Happy hols, AF.