You may have noticed that i have rarely if ever not ackwoledged the failures of the Tory party, and because of that, will now vote reform.

At no point in our discussions has anyone on here ackowledged the fact that labour has glaring problems. And having said that now you will claim you have, you have not, even to the extreme of doing it now to prove the point.

There is the mature approach, and their is the childlike. You will defend Labour regardless which in all honesty completely invalidates everything you say because it is overtly parisan, making conversation impossible.

And to cap it all, he says the past is not an indication of the future, completely the wrong way round. Socialism is that, its not going to change.

Who would change it anyway, we all want to live in valhalla, of the red kind. Not.
Take stefans post, large parts of it are fabrications, but stefan wont see it because his filter is clogged with sh it.

Any rational conversation about labour would end in you lot voting anything but, you cant affoprd to do that.