Careless Tories!

[swaledale]

Farage returning and a far right party fielding candidates would be Armageddon for the Tories!! he will only stand if its not Johnson though, Truss or Sunak he would be appealing to the far right loons!

[ramAnag]

Farage returning and a far right party fielding candidates would be Armageddon for the Tories!! he will only stand if its not Johnson though, Truss or Sunak he would be appealing to the far right loons!

Can you honestly see any scenario which allows Johnson or Truss to stand again in the foreseeable future? Surely either candidate would represent a ‘free hit’ to all the opposition parties and any reasonable Tories that may be left. The former is completely discredited in terms of honesty and morality and the latter is just a delusional incompetent imo.

[swaledale]

Can you honestly see any scenario which allows Johnson or Truss to stand again in the foreseeable future? Surely either candidate would represent a ‘free hit’ to all the opposition parties and any reasonable Tories that may be left. The former is completely discredited in terms of honesty and morality and the latter is just a delusional incompetent imo.

rA, Johnson is only discredited in the eyes of a certain section of the population, there are many in the Tory party who would have him back - including if one is to believe Sir Graham Brady, 102 Tory MP's and "Lord" Cruddas who set up a petition demanding he be allowed to stand in the leadership contest to replace him the first time around!! I would say that probably most of the Tory membership would have him back as a leader, they still think he was somehow stabbed in the back mainly by Sunak, who ironically was one of the last of the 58 plus Ministers who had resigned!!

Johnson is busy manoeuvring to get a "safe" seat to stand in for the next election, his current seat could well turf him out , so he is angling for one that has a larger majority. As with Trump, there are significant sections of his party who believe that whatever his personal characteristics, he is still a vote winner and a substantial number of voters think the same. Whatever the reality, the only thing that counts in politics is power and whoever seems likely to win power will be supported, those that don't like him will hold their noses and back him if push comes to shove!!

So yes I can see Johnson being re-installed as Tory leader before the next election, IF their poll ratings fail to improve.

[ramAnag]

rA, Johnson is only discredited in the eyes of a certain section of the population, there are many in the Tory party who would have him back - including if one is to believe Sir Graham Brady, 102 Tory MP's and "Lord" Cruddas who set up a petition demanding he be allowed to stand in the leadership contest to replace him the first time around!! I would say that probably most of the Tory membership would have him back as a leader, they still think he was somehow stabbed in the back mainly by Sunak, who ironically was one of the last of the 58 plus Ministers who had resigned!!

Johnson is busy manoeuvring to get a "safe" seat to stand in for the next election, his current seat could well turf him out , so he is angling for one that has a larger majority. As with Trump, there are significant sections of his party who believe that whatever his personal characteristics, he is still a vote winner and a substantial number of voters think the same. Whatever the reality, the only thing that counts in politics is power and whoever seems likely to win power will be supported, those that don't like him will hold their noses and back him if push comes to shove!!

So yes I can see Johnson being re-installed as Tory leader before the next election, IF their poll ratings fail to improve.

I agree, there are still a significant proportion of Tories, who are completely lacking any functional form of moral compass, and who would take him back in a heartbeat.
He did, after all, win a very sizeable majority in 2019. That however has to be put in the context of an electorate who were sick to the back teeth of three years of Brexit argument and delay (if only they’d known!) and against a Labour leader who was something of a liability (as a political leader rather than as person).

Four years on and the situation has changed in at least three very significant ways.
1. Starmer has infinitely more credibility than Corbyn ever had.
2. Even a blind man on a galloping horse cannot fail to recognise that Johnson is a compulsive liar, devoid of integrity and completely lacking where the capacity for decency and moral judgement are concerned.
3. Brexit (Johnson’s flagship back in 2019) is no longer the ‘opportunity’ it was once regarded by the gullible as being and it has become the disaster that many of us always warned it would become. ‘Let’s Get Brexit Done’ is no longer a call to arms amongst the politically naive (or worse) and is now more widely recognised as an entirely discredited piece of rabble rousing.

The fact that Johnson finds it necessary to seek a ‘safe seat’ - I believe the search may have moved from the Derbyshire Dales to a new constituency in the North Oxfordshire area - speaks volumes. If he doubts he would be re-elected in his own current constituency then what chance would he stand in any foreseeable return as a potential PM Mk2?