Sturgeonland

[donsdaft]

I've said all along that Scotland is too full of fearties to vote for independence.

Well, Sturgeon's type of independence anyway.

Loathed though I am to nurture hope again, perhaps we can try a different way.

I'll vote for Kate Forbes's SNP.

[InversneckieDob]

As I said earlier, her leadership in government will all come down to whether she's professional enough to put her abhorrent, personal, bigoted beliefs to one side and govern with an ethos of commonality.

Having known a few Free Churchers, I have my doubts.

They tend to make the bigoted caricature Donsdaft satirises on here seem reasonable.

[donsdaft]

I am reasonable

[TheDeeDon]

I've said all along that Scotland is too full of fearties to vote for independence.

Well, Sturgeon's type of independence anyway.

Loathed though I am to nurture hope again, perhaps we can try a different way.

I'll vote for Kate Forbes's SNP.

Fearties, no. More like being brought up knowing nothing more than the condescending shyte from Westminster, which made us believe we couldn't do anything for ourselves.

The Thatcher years was probably the beginning of the modern national movement, in that more and more people began to question our relationship with Westminster during her tenure. Then the creation of the Scottish Parliament was the best thing Labour ever did for Scotland. Through that we will get independence at some point in the not too distant future. Won't be through us older folk, many of us are still ingrained in the belief that the union is best and the English parties know what is best for us and an opinion I don't have much issue with, in relation to older folk. Many people struggle to adapt with changes later in life and that is what most of the fear is, a fear of change.

[donsdaft]

Fearties, no. More like being brought up knowing nothing more than the condescending shyte from Westminster, which made us believe we couldn't do anything for ourselves.

The Thatcher years was probably the beginning of the modern national movement, in that more and more people began to question our relationship with Westminster during her tenure. Then the creation of the Scottish Parliament was the best thing Labour ever did for Scotland. Through that we will get independence at some point in the not too distant future. Won't be through us older folk, many of us are still ingrained in the belief that the union is best and the English parties know what is best for us and an opinion I don't have much issue with, in relation to older folk. Many people struggle to adapt with changes later in life and that is what most of the fear is, a fear of change.

That was the argument in 1974.

Either all those old people are still there ( lots of them are) or the argument has just never been good enough.

[TheDeeDon]

That was the argument in 1974.

Scotland would never have voted for Independence in 1974.

The parliament opened in 1999, so kids schooled from that point onwards will have been brought up knowing more about our own parliament than Westminster and hence the reason I am sure will give us independence.

[donsdaft]

Of course I was just 15 and admittedly had a limited social circle, but I didn’t know anyone who would have voted against independence.

I wasn’t taking Huns into account though.

My point remains the same.
As a youngster, I thought it was only a matter of 5 years or so.

[TheDeeDon]

Well, Sturgeon's type of independence anyway.

Loathed though I am to nurture hope again, perhaps we can try a different way.

I'll vote for Kate Forbes's SNP.

Would you really prefer a Kate Forbes style Scotland just because you hate gay people?

[donsdaft]

Would you really prefer a Kate Forbes style Scotland just because you hate gay people?

Hating them and refusing to join in with a fantasy are two different things.


Anyway, we have still to find out what a Kate Forbes style Scotland will look like.

One that believes in realism would be a start.

[Red Zone]

Hating them and refusing to join in with a fantasy are two different things.


Anyway, we have still to find out what a Kate Forbes style Scotland will look like.

One that believes in realism would be a start.

I guess we will hear more over the next few weeks but it sounds like a Kate Forbes style Scotland, at least in the short-term, will place more focus on the economy/business and dare I say it competent Government and less emphasis on equality and social justice issues. It sounds like she will not be battering everyone over the head about independence on a daily basis but rather try to grow an independence majority through her approach to Government, also knowing that over time demographics will favour the independence numbers as well. My guess is she will pick her fights with Westminster much more carefully rather than looking to engineer disagreements at every possible opportunity.