Sturgeonland

[donsdaft]

Aye it's nae easy.

Better to keep madness out of the equation though and just govern quietly.

[Shetland Don]

The real point here in my view is:- does anyone on here, party-politics aside, think that the former FM, as leader of the SNP, is anything other than culpable for the complete and utter waste of around £200M of our, the public’s funds? Please answer objectively.

Could any dissenters please give a reasoned and reasonable explanation to support their contrary views and try to avoid personal insults - no unreadable pink maps either please, SD

[Mason89]

The real point here in my view is:- does anyone on here, party-politics aside, think that the former FM, as leader of the SNP, is anything other than culpable for the complete and utter waste of around £200M of our, the public’s funds? Please answer objectively.

Could any dissenters please give a reasoned and reasonable explanation to support their contrary views and try to avoid personal insults - no unreadable pink maps either please, SD

I will, right after you answer the question I asked you. I’ll swerve this one until then

[Shetland Don]

The ball is in your court if you care track back through the thread. I’d have tried to put a proper and robust procurement process in place in the first instance.

[Mason89]

The ball is in your court if you care track back through the thread. I’d have tried to put a proper and robust procurement process in place in the first instance.

That doesn’t actually mean anything though & it would not have solved the issue of the delays in any way shape or form. Have you got anything else? After your robust procurement policy, you’d still have unfinished ferries sitting in the yard

[Shetland Don]

That doesn’t actually mean anything though & it would not have solved the issue of the delays in any way shape or form. Have you got anything else? After your robust procurement policy, you’d still have unfinished ferries sitting in the yard

You have missed my point. The point is that had the procurement process for the two new ferries been more transparent and robust in the first place then Ferguson Marine would probably not have been awarded the contract. They were by far the highest bidder and lacked experience of building vessels of this size. Due diligence, it seems, wasn’t done properly as they couldn’t give the financial guarantees required in the contract due to their precarious financial standing.

[Mason89]

You have missed my point. The point is that had the procurement process for the two new ferries been more transparent and robust in the first place then Ferguson Marine would probably not have been awarded the contract. They were by far the highest bidder and lacked experience of building vessels of this size. Due diligence, it seems, wasn’t done properly as they couldn’t give the financial guarantees required in the contract due to their precarious financial standing.

You’re missing my point. Every political party in Scotland would have taken the decision to save the yard. None of them would have wanted to but they all would have done it. It would have been political suicide not to. It’s not the greatest government policy to place your trust in a hun spiv but that was the only thing on the table.

You’re asking to put party loyalty to one side, then not doing it yourself. This would have happened regardless who was in charge, yet it’s all nippy krankie with the haircuts fault.

The only thing you can say for certain if Labour or the Tories were in charge, is that the Scottish media would not have reported on it so often & you wouldn’t be so upset about it