Matchday thread2: Derby v Ipswich

[ramAnag]

101 is a lot ill give you that.

I think most fans will at time feel the ref was biased, and at the time it appears that way. I think as others have said it is more like they are just crap. We can all point to games where very very poor decisions cost you, just two games this season for us, Port Value at home and Ipswich at home. The refereeing was nothing short of horrendous, in the Port Vale game he was giving them farcical decisions even their fans were chanting that he was one of their own. After the Ipswich game the officials apologised for being crap.

The only thing ive heard (not sure if it was Poll or not) who said refs do get pre conceptions about players, so if a player is known to be a diver etc they will be on the look out for it more which might influence decisions against them.

Now VAR is a different beast to me, i just dont get some of the decisions and inconsistencies, the onfield ref its easy to make mistakes but when they are watching it on TV etc i just dont get the number of errors they seem to make. Take Forest and Huddersfield in the play off final, you talk about penalties not given but Huddersfield had two obvious penalty appeals waved away and VAR did nothing to rectify it. You can excuse the on field ref, but not VAR.

I thought last week’s against MKD was up there amongst the worst too...but you’re right, refs can be excused sometimes...they’re only human (most of ‘em!)...but VAR, if we’re going to have it then use it properly.
What puzzles me is why such technology seems to be used less controversially in cricket and both rugby codes.

[Andy_Faber]

I thought last week’s against MKD was up there amongst the worst too...but you’re right, refs can be excused sometimes...they’re only human (most of ‘em!)...but VAR, if we’re going to have it then use it properly.
What puzzles me is why such technology seems to be used less controversially in cricket and both rugby codes.

I beg to differ on the rugby one, but from an 'at the game' POV. As a rugby dullard I find the forensicness of it (and the mic'd refs) enlightening on TV but it really breaks the atmosphere when watching from the terraces IMO. My much more interested other half says she is starting to get bored with the TV side of it too, the rush of excitement of a try is starting to lose its magic she says, and I can see that POV although its not actually evident from the racket she makes when Scotland score.

It works with cricket because its an OPTION (with the occasional sensible umpire initiated review). The best bit of sporting 'theatre' from any sport in the last few years was IMO the Stokes/Leach stand, and without Hawkeye (and its poor use in this case) itwould soon have become just another forgotten defeat

[ramAnag]

I beg to differ on the rugby one, but from an 'at the game' POV. As a rugby dullard I find the forensicness of it (and the mic'd refs) enlightening on TV but it really breaks the atmosphere when watching from the terraces IMO. My much more interested other half says she is starting to get bored with the TV side of it too, the rush of excitement of a try is starting to lose its magic she says, and I can see that POV although its not actually evident from the racket she makes when Scotland score.

It works with cricket because its an OPTION (with the occasional sensible umpire initiated review). The best bit of sporting 'theatre' from any sport in the last few years was IMO the Stokes/Leach stand, and without Hawkeye (and its poor use in this case) itwould soon have become just another forgotten defeat

Agree about the delays in rugby...they can be infuriating, but ultimately if the correct decision is reached, and they usually seem to be, then I think that’s a good thing.
Interestingly, I believe that in the Southern Hemisphere, where disciplinary matters are concerned, when a yellow card/sin bin is given, play recommences immediately allowing the ultimate sanction to be decided during the ten minute sin binning. Certainly reduces hold ups and trial by crowd reaction which, imo, happened in last month’s Ireland v England match.

I feel one of the problems with VAR in this country is the apparent randomness of its referral...a perfect example being in the last minute of last week’s Liverpool v Arsenal match when I felt Liverpool were refused a stonewall penalty which could have huge ramifications for the destination of the title. The challenge on Salah should, at the very least, have been referred to VAR imo. The fact that it wasn’t is not a criticism of VAR but of those human beings who chose when to operate it.

[Andy_Faber]

Agree about the delays in rugby...they can be infuriating, but ultimately if the correct decision is reached, and they usually seem to be, then I think that’s a good thing.
Interestingly, I believe that in the Southern Hemisphere, where disciplinary matters are concerned, when a yellow card/sin bin is given, play recommences immediately allowing the ultimate sanction to be decided during the ten minute sin binning. Certainly reduces hold ups and trial by crowd reaction which, imo, happened in last month’s Ireland v England match.

I feel one of the problems with VAR in this country is the apparent randomness of its referral...a perfect example being in the last minute of last week’s Liverpool v Arsenal match when I felt Liverpool were refused a stonewall penalty which could have huge ramifications for the destination of the title. The challenge on Salah should, at the very least, have been referred to VAR imo. The fact that it wasn’t is not a criticism of VAR but of those human beings who chose when to operate it.

I don't watch enough football to have a big opinion on VAR but what I've seen online sugests you are right its not referred or applied consistently, plus, if there's any rule in football that's more complicated than the old offside rule, it shouldn't be a rule IMO.