Try again- the final games and who has who.

[whitestomper45]

Seen an interesting argument floating on Twitter that in reality we are actually a second tier side and it is fantasy to think we should be in the top league consistently given our history and percentage of time spent in both divisions.

Hope we get it right next year or we will be adding another 5-10 years minimum in the EFL

We are a 1st tier team (confirmed by our away support and away attendances), consistently run by 2nd tier owners who have either got over inflated egos or under inflated wallets, mainly wide boys

[WTF11]

We are a 1st tier team (confirmed by our away support and away attendances), consistently run by 2nd tier owners who have either got over inflated egos or under inflated wallets, mainly wide boys

Seems we are agreeing on more than the bits we disagree on, finally.

[whitestomper45]

Agreed, and as I said on one of the posts in the "relegation" thread, go back a bit further to the "roasting" of Marsch during the Bamford post-match interview that you and I "discussed". It was clear even before that interview that things weren't right and that what wasn't right wasn't being addressed. There would only be so much inaction and poor decision making that professionals would take before speaking out.

Sam has no reason to be "discrete" and I suspect Luke isn't bothered any more having been part of the team that gained promotion and seen the potential and opportunity for real progress pi55ed away by the three stooges.

I’ll repeat what I said in that “discussion”.. Bamford should have never played again after that outburst…add Ayling to that list now. Senior in every sense of the word players, trying to deflect fault. If you think you’re not fit enough go for a feckin run.

The fact Sam has played that flop of a CF and continued with Richard Pryor at full back until banned, shows me he’s not the answer either

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I’ll repeat what I said in that “discussion”.. Bamford should have never played again after that outburst…add Ayling to that list now. Senior in every sense of the word players, trying to deflect fault. If you think you’re not fit enough go for a feckin run.

The fact Sam has played that flop of a CF and continued with Richard Pryor at full back until banned, shows me he’s not the answer either

I wish you wouldn't take very opportunity to have an argument with me. Bamford, Ayling, now Allardyce, all (more or less) saying the same thing, and so what if it's "in public", it shows that whatever was going on "behind closed doors" wasn't addressing what needed to be addressed. Perhaps Bamford knew he wasn't likely to stay at the club (not at 1st team regular level anyway) and Ayling has come to the same conclusion albeit more recently? I don't think either player was "deflecting fault" as both stated what we as supporters can see with our own eyes, although it would appear to have been invisible to the w4nk and those who succeeded him, both in tactical terms and regarding the fitness levels of all the players.

As for Allardyce and his choices as to who to play, four games to save a club that has been in terminal decline for over a season, he's on a good earner and probably doesn't give a f00k whatever happens, another class decision from the two stooges who remain.

[whitestomper45]

Seems we are agreeing on more than the bits we disagree on, finally.

Not everything, i still think Bamford has been mostly crap for a while now and lost us far more points than any he might have won, by putting away something lthat seems like 1 in 10 golden chances

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Not everything, i still think Bamford has been mostly crap for a while now and lost us far more points than any he might have won, by putting away something lthat seems like 1 in 10 golden chances

Did I say everything? Having said that, my comments and observations regarding Bamford (relating to the last two seasons) aren't that far from yours, I just take his contributions to the club as a whole into account, without which we wouldn't have had the opportunity, wasted by our board, to actually succeed in the Premiership.

He and others are very rich men I'm sure, but how sad they must all be, having had the chance of PL presence and careers flounder simply because we have the "2nd class owners" you refer to.

[whitestomper45]

I wish you wouldn't take very opportunity to have an argument with me. Bamford, Ayling, now Allardyce, all (more or less) saying the same thing, and so what if it's "in public", it shows that whatever was going on "behind closed doors" wasn't addressing what needed to be addressed. Perhaps Bamford knew he wasn't likely to stay at the club (not at 1st team regular level anyway) and Ayling has come to the same conclusion albeit more recently? I don't think either player was "deflecting fault" as both stated what we as supporters can see with our own eyes, although it would appear to have been invisible to the w4nk and those who succeeded him, both in tactical terms and regarding the fitness levels of all the players.

As for Allardyce and his choices as to who to play, four games to save a club that has been in terminal decline for over a season, he's on a good earner and probably doesn't give a f00k whatever happens, another class decision from the two stooges who remain.

This sort of stuff is never made public... can you recall any (successful) club letting this sort of stuff out? You seem to think its OK, it's most definitely not, I would think the younger players who have been around some sort of professional set up for some time now would be confused/ a tad shocked by all this.... for me it tells me the dressing room has gone for a while now

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This sort of stuff is never made public... can you recall any (successful) club letting this sort of stuff out? You seem to think its OK, it's most definitely not, I would think the younger players who have been around some sort of professional set up for some time now would be confused/ a tad shocked by all this.... for me it tells me the dressing room has gone for a while now

You make my point for me, as have others. The dressing room had gone from the time of the ridiculous decision on new manager to replace Bielsa with the w4nk and the following, equally delusional decisions on players acquisitions, and all this came from above.

There is only so much nonsense that relatively intelligent individuals can take without there being an uncontrolled reaction.

As for "never being made public", I suspect if you did a very small amount of digging other examples would emerge, and perhaps it would be better if managers/coaches/club owners were aware that there are limits?

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This sort of stuff is never made public... can you recall any (successful) club letting this sort of stuff out? You seem to think its OK, it's most definitely not, I would think the younger players who have been around some sort of professional set up for some time now would be confused/ a tad shocked by all this.... for me it tells me the dressing room has gone for a while now

And just as an aside, unless the younger players you refer to have been fortunate enough to be out on loan at other, more professionally organised clubs, they won't have seen much of that ilk whilst at LUFC.

[whitestomper45]

You make my point for me, as have others. The dressing room had gone from the time of the ridiculous decision on new manager to replace Bielsa with the w4nk and the following, equally delusional decisions on players acquisitions, and all this came from above.

There is only so much nonsense that relatively intelligent individuals can take without there being an uncontrolled reaction.

As for "never being made public", I suspect if you did a very small amount of digging other examples would emerge, and perhaps it would be better if managers/coaches/club owners were aware that there are limits?

I don't make your point.... there is an unwritten rule what goes on in the dressing room, stays.... the 2 players however stressed should have kept their gobs shut.

Think about the nightmare appointments other clubs have had, most recently at Southampton Nathan Jones... Lumplard.. did you here any player coming out on MOTD saying the guys tactics are crap?
Bob Bradley (Swansea), Steve Kean (Blackburn), Andre Villas-Boas (Chelsea) et al.... an endless list where anybody and his dog knew it must be a nightmare, yet no player feels the need to blurt it...