Good Luck Gunt

[GUNTERYY36]

What a roller coaster. Barnsley had the better start. Wendy took over and were dominant. 0-0 at HT. 2nd half starts and Barnsley start the brightest. 47th minute, ball flying about in the box. Gregory goes for the ball but only manages to kick a Barnsley player on the calf between 3 and 4 feet off the floor. It's a penalty but the ref waves it away. VAR sees no reason to overrule the ref's decision. IMO, the officials got it wrong. 49th minute, Phillips clatters Gregory. It's a free kick. Ref got that right. It's a yellow but the ref reaches for his back pocket and pulls out the red card. Wrong. Yellow all day. That's 2 bad decisions gone against Barnsley inside 2 minutes. Down to 10 men you think it's over but Barnsley had other ideas. They were the dominant side for quite a while despite being down to 10. 0-0 at 90 minutes and 2 x 15 minutes extra time to be played. By now Barnsley will be feeling low, 2 decisions go against them and they have played well with 10 and Isted in goal is having a blinder. They deserve the chance to win the game. Extra time saw Wendy the better side but a series of blocks from defenders and good saves from Isted saw time running out. The 4th official signals a minimum of 3 minutes extra time at the end of the 2nd period of ET. 2 minutes and 58 seconds into the 3 minutes, a good move sees a cross from the left, a diving header from Windass, Isted gets his hands to it but can't keep it out. I thought Barnsley deserved a crack at penalties rather than the last second execution they got. On top for periods but, statistically, 2nd best, their efforts deserved more than to go out in the way they did. Wendy had 22 shots to 9. 8 on target to 2. So they should have with the man advantage. My heart goes out to Isted who certainly didn't deserve the manner of defeat. Right chuffed for Darren Moore.

In effect, considering their aging squad, this was probably last chance saloon for Wendy and the Gods were on their side.

A little aside... all 3 EFL playoff finals were won by managers who have played for Derby County Football Club.

Following the game Duff was full of praise for Wednesday even though the words must have stuck in his throat. The so-called gentle giant Darren Moore didn't mention his devastated counterpart, the players or their fans. I don't know whether or not the man is gentle but I can think of lots of other names to describe him.

[ramAnag]

Following the game Duff was full of praise for Wednesday even though the words must have stuck in his throat. The so-called gentle giant Darren Moore didn't mention his devastated counterpart, the players or their fans. I don't know whether or not the man is gentle but I can think of lots of other names to describe him.

You’ve sounded a tad bitter and twisted in recent weeks, Gunt. Questionable (at best) views on Wednesday’s black players...Barnsley always discriminated against...and now Darren Moore. We’re generally quite fond of him in these parts, he did well for us and seems like a good bloke...so I wouldn’t bother.
It’s tough losing in the play off finals...possibly harder than any other final because it’s the climax of a whole season’s work/effort/support. Believe me, we know, having seen Derby lose three play off finals v Leicester, QPR and Villa. We ‘deserved’ to win two of those too and it hurts but what’s done is done. As our colleague points our, ‘sh1thappens’...you’ll be back in with a shout next season...the red card was hard but the stats were all in Wednesday’s favour. No great injustice and it’s only football, so just move on.

[GUNTERYY36]

You’ve sounded a tad bitter and twisted in recent weeks, Gunt. Questionable (at best) views on Wednesday’s black players...Barnsley always discriminated against...and now Darren Moore. We’re generally quite fond of him in these parts, he did well for us and seems like a good bloke...so I wouldn’t bother.
It’s tough losing in the play off finals...possibly harder than any other final because it’s the climax of a whole season’s work/effort/support. Believe me, we know, having seen Derby lose three play off finals v Leicester, QPR and Villa. We ‘deserved’ to win two of those too and it hurts but what’s done is done. As our colleague points our, ‘sh1thappens’...you’ll be back in with a shout next season...the red card was hard but the stats were all in Wednesday’s favour. No great injustice and it’s only football, so just move on.

Well of course I'm bitter. After Bobby Zamora's goal did you think ah well there's always next year. The reference to some of Wednesday's tall strong black players being difficult to break down was according to one contributor a 'racist rant'. if he's up on history he'll know what a racist rant really was.

Yes the stats were all in Wednesday's favour. It's not surprising when you're playing against ten men for 45 minutes and ET. on a blistering hot day.

Only football...really?

[ramAnag]

Well of course I'm bitter. After Bobby Zamora's goal did you think ah well there's always next year. The reference to some of Wednesday's tall strong black players being difficult to break down was according to one contributor a 'racist rant'. if he's up on history he'll know what a racist rant really was.

Yes the stats were all in Wednesday's favour. It's not surprising when you're playing against ten men for 45 minutes and ET. on a blistering hot day.

Only football...really?

Well yes...takes a while but you have no choice really.

Your reference to Wednesday’s ‘tall strong black players’ was weird, on the basis that being strong and tall (not words you used as I recall) is relevant whereas being black really isn’t. Hence, I suspect, GP’s very reasonable objection.

Yep, ‘only football’. It matters to all of us who follow our various clubs...but let’s keep some perspective. It’s a disappointment not a tragedy.

P.S. ‘Duff’ is Michael Duff...Barnsley manager...done a good job...played hundreds of games for Burnley as I recall, GP.

[GUNTERYY36]

Well yes...takes a while but you have no choice really.

Your reference to Wednesday’s ‘tall strong black players’ was weird, on the basis that being strong and tall (not words you used as I recall) is relevant whereas being black really isn’t. Hence, I suspect, GP’s very reasonable objection.

Yep, ‘only football’. It matters to all of us who follow our various clubs...but let’s keep some perspective. It’s a disappointment not a tragedy.

P.S. ‘Duff’ is Michael Duff...Barnsley manager...done a good job...played hundreds of games for Burnley as I recall, GP.

Well yes...takes a while but you have no choice really.

Your reference to Wednesday’s ‘tall strong black players’ was weird, on the basis that being strong and tall (not words you used as I recall) is relevant whereas being black really isn’t. Hence, I suspect, GP’s very reasonable objection.

Yep, ‘only football’. It matters to all of us who follow our various clubs...but let’s keep some perspective. It’s a disappointment not a tragedy.

P.S. ‘Duff’ is Michael Duff...Barnsley manager...done a good job...played hundreds of games for Burnley as I recall, GP.

There's a huge difference between a supposedly 'weird' comment and a wild diatribe. If I have any problem about these matters it's that there is zero media coverage of what might be called reverse racism. For instance, Adjoa Andoh describing the royal family as 'terribly white', Diane Abbot having built a political career on anti-white racism, etc. Whites are not supposed to be upset or 'offended by anyone. We should all be opposed to racism per se not one way street racism.

[SithHappens]

There's a huge difference between a supposedly 'weird' comment and a wild diatribe. If I have any problem about these matters it's that there is zero media coverage of what might be called reverse racism. For instance, Adjoa Andoh describing the royal family as 'terribly white', Diane Abbot having built a political career on anti-white racism, etc. Whites are not supposed to be upset or 'offended by anyone. We should all be opposed to racism per se not one way street racism.

Times change, in my Dads day it would have been fine to say what you said, in fact he would have (and probably still would) use the word 'Coloured'. Had someone in the media used the word Blacks to describe collectively a group of players i have no doubt there would have been uproar and probably a sacking (see Craig Ramage ex Radio Derby presenter).

On that point though Derby fans were quite vocal in their distaste for what he said yet Stefan Eranio you would struggle to hear a Derby fan say a bad word against him (Sacked in similar circumstances to ramage from a job), so it is an odd one, seems if you are popular people will overlook it.

On the topic of Diane Abbott, its caught up with her eventually as shes now been sacked by Starmer.

[GUNTERYY36]

Times change, in my Dads day it would have been fine to say what you said, in fact he would have (and probably still would) use the word 'Coloured'. Had someone in the media used the word Blacks to describe collectively a group of players i have no doubt there would have been uproar and probably a sacking (see Craig Ramage ex Radio Derby presenter).

On that point though Derby fans were quite vocal in their distaste for what he said yet Stefan Eranio you would struggle to hear a Derby fan say a bad word against him (Sacked in similar circumstances to ramage from a job), so it is an odd one, seems if you are popular people will overlook it.

On the topic of Diane Abbott, its caught up with her eventually as shes now been sacked by Starmer.

I can't remember how my old dad referred to them, but whatever it was people weren't so hung up on words. As far as I remember he hadn't a bad word to say about any race (apart from Germans for obvious reasons).

It's interesting you refer to Derby fans as being 'quite vocal'. I'd say they'd be even more vocal had Derby been relegated under Warne. Although I understand ram's point of view I'm sure Derby fans would be furious rather than disappointed. As a wise man once said, Football's more than just a matter of life and death. lol

Yes and rightly so.

[ramAnag]

There's a huge difference between a supposedly 'weird' comment and a wild diatribe. If I have any problem about these matters it's that there is zero media coverage of what might be called reverse racism. For instance, Adjoa Andoh describing the royal family as 'terribly white', Diane Abbot having built a political career on anti-white racism, etc. Whites are not supposed to be upset or 'offended by anyone. We should all be opposed to racism per se not one way street racism.

Gunterry...your reference to it not being a nice ‘prospect’ to play against Wednesday’s ‘ten foot blacks’ was uncalled for at best and racist at worst.
GP called you out on it. He’s no ‘snowflake’ (as you might term it) by any stretch of anyone’s imagination, and Diane Abbott is irrelevant to what you said. Your comment belongs to a time when idiots turned up at football grounds to chuck bananas, and abuse, at black players. There’s no place for it, on here or anywhere else.

P.S. Think it was Bill Shankly who described football as ‘more than just a matter of life and death’. I agree with you, he was a ‘wise man’ and an all time great manager...but on that occasion he was, imo, completely wrong.

[GUNTERYY36]

Gunterry...your reference to it not being a nice ‘prospect’ to play against Wednesday’s ‘ten foot blacks’ was uncalled for at best and racist at worst.
GP called you out on it. He’s no ‘snowflake’ (as you might term it) by any stretch of anyone’s imagination, and Diane Abbott is irrelevant to what you said. Your comment belongs to a time when idiots turned up at football grounds to chuck bananas, and abuse, at black players. There’s no place for it, on here or anywhere else.

P.S. Think it was Bill Shankly who described football as ‘more than just a matter of life and death’. I agree with you, he was a ‘wise man’ and an all time great manager...but on that occasion he was, imo, completely wrong.

I was merely replying to Sith's comment. If you read my post carefully, Dianne Abbot was simply an example of the point I was making. She would have had much more media coverage of her deeply held racist remarks were she white.

We both know it was Bill Shankly who used that dumb statement. I was just adding a little levity to my post.

[Geoff Parkstone]

Following the game Duff was full of praise for Wednesday even though the words must have stuck in his throat. The so-called gentle giant Darren Moore didn't mention his devastated counterpart, the players or their fans. I don't know whether or not the man is gentle but I can think of lots of other names to describe him.

who is "Duff"?